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MLC Monster Re: Narcissists- article
#50: November 13, 2013, 02:55:02 AM
Albatross
Thanks for the insight.

From the Blog Topic: http://mlcforum.theherosspouse.com/index.php?topic=3987.50

“People with healthy levels of narcissism are also able to step outside their own perspective long enough to assess how their behavior may be affecting others around them. This ability to avoid becoming stuck in narcissistic mode, and to consider the impact of your actions on the feelings of others, is one of the key distinctions between healthy and extreme levels of narcissism.”

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Thanks for the link.
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http://mlcforum.theherosspouse.com/index.php?topic=3987.0

NARCISSISM & MLC
http://mlcforum.theherosspouse.com/index.php?topic=3917.0

My story:-
http://mlcforum.theherosspouse.com/index.php?topic=3747.0

BD nov 2012
H 55 M 54
Married 25yrs

Initially : I don't want her and I don't want you.
PA with alienator 21 yrs younger mar 2012
OW came and took him Jan 2013
To find out if the grass is greener one must take risks.
I did'nt want this but after what I've done i will have to go.
I think I love her and I'm unsure about you.
If you love me you will have to let me go...I'll come back when I am old.
I want to have fun ..I can't live another 15 yrs with you.
WHY,WHY...asks himself.
When we both calm down we will talk...

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Re: Narcissists- article
#51: November 13, 2013, 03:05:02 AM
You're welcome LBS-

The levels of narcissism are complex. Some of it involves self esteem..and lack thereof.

Once someone can focus and realize thier own self worth only then will they put an end to the abuse.

We hold the power to end it. Only then can we take the time to reflect on ourselves and make things better for US not necessarily them.

A true narcissist can never be dealt with again. That's true in my case.
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Don't ask why someone is still hurting you; ask why you keep letting them.What you allow continues.

At some point you have to get sick of going through the same sh!t.

Women are NOT rehabilitation centers for badly raised men. It is not your job to fix ,parent, raise or change him.
You want a partner not a project.

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Re: Narcissists- article
#52: November 13, 2013, 07:46:37 AM
I swear, this is such an education for me :):):)  I truly am thankful for this site and everything that everyone puts on it!!   Please continue!
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Re: Narcissists- article
#53: November 22, 2013, 01:24:56 AM
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Hope the article below helps too:

The Relationship Destroyers – Cluster B

Cluster B are personalities that are highly dramatic, both emotionally and behaviorally. Antisocial, Borderline, Narcissistic, and Histrionic Personality are in this group.

Mental health professionals have identified ten personality disorders, each with their own pattern of behaviors, emotionality, and symptoms. However, allCluster B Personality Disorders have core personality features that serve as the foundation for their specific personality disorder. Some of those core personality features are:
 
•Self-Centered   We often hear the phrase “It’s All About Me”. When making decisions, a healthy person weighs the needs and concerns of others as well as their own. A Personality Disorder weighs only their needs and concerns. APersonality Disorder may use money to feed their family for their own purpose. A brother with a Personality Disorder may intimidate an elderly parent for money or manipulate a legal situation to eliminate siblings from an inheritance. In most situations, if we are contacted by a Personality Disorder, the contact is for THEIR purpose, not ours.

•Refusal to Accept Personal Responsibility for Their Behavior   Individuals with aPersonality Disorder almost never accept personal responsibility for their behavior. They blame others, uses excuses, claim misunderstandings, and then depict themselves as the victim in the situation. Those that are physically abusive actually blame the victims of their abuse for the assault. Victims often hear “This is your fault! Why did you make me angry?” This aspect of a Personality Disorderis very damaging when the Personality Disorder is a parent. They blame the children for their abusive, neglectful, or dysfunctional behavior. Children are told they are responsible for the temper tantrums, alcohol/substance abuse, unemployment, poverty, unhappiness, etc. of their parent. During a divorce, aPersonality Disorder parent often blames the children.

•Self-Justification   Individuals with a Personality Disorder don’t think, reason, feel, and behave normally. However, they typically justify ALL of their behaviors. Their justification often comes from their view that they have been victims of society or others and are therefore justified in their manipulative, controlling, criminal or abusive behaviors. A common justification in criminals is to blame the victim for the crime as when hearing “It’s his fault (the victim) that he got shot. He should have given me the money faster.” Healthy adults find it impossible to reason with a Personality Disorder, finding their justifications impossible to understand.

•Entitlement   Individuals with a Personality Disorder have a tremendous sense of entitlement, a sense that they deserve respect, money, fame, power, authority, attention, etc. Some feel they are entitled to be the center of attention and when that doesn’t happen, they are entitled to create a scene or uproar to gain that attention. Entitlement also creates a justification to punish others in thePersonality Disorder. If you violate one of their rules or demands, they feel entitled to punish you in some way.

•Shallow Emotions   Healthy people are always amazed and astonished that a person with a Personality Disorder can quickly detach from a partner, move on, and exhibit very little in the way of remorse or distress. A Personality Disordercan find another partner following a breakup, often within days. These same individuals can also quickly detach from their family and children. They can become angry with their parents and not contact them for years. A Personality Disorder can abandon their children while blaming the spouse/partner for their lack of support and interest. Their ability to behave in this manner is related to their “Shallow Emotions”. The best way to think of Shallow Emotions is to have a great $300.00 automobile (192 euros). You have a limited investment in the automobile and when it’s running great you have no complaints. You take the effort to maintain maintenance on the vehicle as long as the costs are low. If it develops costly mechanical difficulties, it’s cheaper to dispose of it and get another $300.00 automobile that will run well. Also, if you move a large distance, you leave it behind because it’s more costly to transport it. A Personality Disorderhas shallow emotions and often views those around them as $300.00 autos. Their emotional investment in others is minimal. If their partner is too troublesome, they quickly move on. If parents criticize their behavior, they end their relationship with them…until they need something.

•Situational Morality    A Personality Disorder takes pride in being able to “do what I gotta do” to have their demands/needs met. They have few personal or social boundaries and in the severe cases, do not feel bound by laws of the land and quickly engage in criminal activity if needed. The motto of a Personality Disorder is “the end justifies the means”.  Situational morality creates rather extreme behaviors and many Personality Disorders have no hesitation to harm themselves or others to meet their needs. Activities often seen as manipulative are tools of the trade for a Personality Disorder and include lying, dishonesty, conning behavior, intimidation, scheming, and acting. Many Personality Disorders are “social chameleons” and after evaluating a potential victim/partner, alter their presentation to be the most effective. Severe Personality Disorders have no hesitation about self-injury and will cut themselves, overdose, threaten suicide,or otherwise injure themselves with the goal of retaining their partner using guilt and obligation.

•Narcissism and Ineffective Lives   A Personality Disorder has a strong influence on the life and lifestyle of the individual. Cluster B personality disorders often have two lives – their “real life” and the imaginary life they present to others that is full of excuses, half-truths, deceptions, cons, lies, fantasies, and stories prepared for a specific purpose. Physical abusers who were forcibly and legal removed from their children and spouse develop a story that the in-laws conspired with the police to separate them from the children they love so deeply. Jail time is often reinterpreted as “I took the blame for my friend so he could continue to work and support his family”. A major finding in a Personality Disorder is an ineffective life – reports of tremendous talent and potential but very little in the way of social or occupational success. It’s a life of excuses and deceptions. Narcissistic and Antisocial “losers” often promise romantic cruises that never take place or have a reason that their partner needs to place an automobile in his/her name. Their lives are often accompanied by financial irresponsibility, chronic unemployment, legal difficulties, and unstable living situations in the community. Their behavior often emotionally exhausts those around them – something the Personality Disorderexplains with “My family and I have had a falling out.” We can be assured that no matter what “real life” situation is present in the life of the Personality Disorder, there will be a justification and excuse for it.

•Social Disruption   There is never a calm, peaceful, and stable relationship with a Cluster B Personality Disorder!  Their need to be the center of attention and control those around them assures a near-constant state of drama, turmoil, discord, and distress. An individual with a Personality Disorder creates drama and turmoil in almost every social situation. Holidays, family reunions, outings in the community, travel, and even grocery shopping are often turned into a social nightmare. The Personality Disorder also creates disruption in their family system. They are the focus of feuds, grudges, bad feelings, jealousy, and turmoil. If you have a member of your family that you hate to see arrive at a family reunion or holiday dinner – he or she probably has a Personality Disorder.

•Manipulation As A Way of Life   To obtain our daily personal, social, and emotional needs a healthy individual has a variety of strategies to use including taking personal action, politely asking someone, making deals, being honest, etc. Healthy individuals also use manipulation as one of many social skills – buying someone a gift to cheer them up, making comments and giving hints that something in desired, etc. For the Personality Disorder, despite the many social strategies available, manipulation is their preferred method of obtaining their wants and needs. The manipulations of a Personality Disorder - when combined with shallow emotions, entitlement, and being self-centered – can be extreme. To obtain their goals, an Antisocial Personality may physically threaten, harass, intimidate, and assault those around them. Histrionic Personalities may create dramatic situations, threaten self-harm, or create social embarrassment. Narcissistic Personalities may send police and an ambulance to your home if you don’t answer their phone calls, using the excuse that they were concerned about you. Their real goal is to assure you that their phone calls MUST be answered or you will pay the consequences. Borderline Personalities may self-injure in your physical presence. In a relationship with a Personality Disorder we are constantly faced with a collection of schemes, situations, manipulations, and interactions that have a hidden agenda…their agenda.

•The Talk and Behavior Gap   We know how people are by two samples of their personality – their talk and their behavior. A person who is honest has talk/conversation/promises that match their behavior almost 100%. If he/she borrows money and tells you they will repay you Friday, and then pays you Friday, you have an honest person. When we observe these matches frequently, then we can give more trust to that individual in the future. The wider the gap between what a person says/promises and what they do – the more they are considered dishonest, unreliable, irresponsible, etc. Due to the shallow emotions and situational morality often found in a Personality Disorder, the gap between talk and behavior can be very wide. A Personality Disorder can often assure their spouse that they love them while having an extramarital affair, borrow money with no intention of paying it back, promise anything with no intention of fulfilling that promise, and assure you of their friendship while spreading nasty rumors about you. A rule: Judge a person by their behavior more than their talk or promises.

•Dysfunctional Parents   Individuals with a Personality Disorder are frequently parents. However, they are frequently dysfunctional parents. Personality Disorderparents often see their children as a burden to their personal goals, are often jealous of the attention their children receive, often feel competitive with their older children, and often attempt to obtain their personal goals through their children. Personality Disorder parents control their children through manipulation with little concern for how their parenting behavior will later influence the lives or the personality of the child. Personality Disorder parents are often hypercritical, leaving the child with the feeling that they are incompetent or unworthy. In extreme cases, Antisocial parents criminally neglect, abuse, or exploit their children – often teaching them to become criminals. Criminal parents often use their children to steal or carry drugs to avoid criminal charges as an adult, allowing the children to face the legal charges. Spouses with a Personality Disorder are often jealous of the attention their partner provides to children in the home, frequently targeting the child for verbal abuse in their jealousy. The narcissism and shallow emotions in a Personality Disorder parent leave the children feeling unloved, unwanted, unworthy, and unappreciated.
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MLC,PD OR MORE(Blog Topic)
http://mlcforum.theherosspouse.com/index.php?topic=3987.0

NARCISSISM & MLC
http://mlcforum.theherosspouse.com/index.php?topic=3917.0

My story:-
http://mlcforum.theherosspouse.com/index.php?topic=3747.0

BD nov 2012
H 55 M 54
Married 25yrs

Initially : I don't want her and I don't want you.
PA with alienator 21 yrs younger mar 2012
OW came and took him Jan 2013
To find out if the grass is greener one must take risks.
I did'nt want this but after what I've done i will have to go.
I think I love her and I'm unsure about you.
If you love me you will have to let me go...I'll come back when I am old.
I want to have fun ..I can't live another 15 yrs with you.
WHY,WHY...asks himself.
When we both calm down we will talk...

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Re: Narcissists- article
#54: November 22, 2013, 01:48:01 AM
Well..I could edit out a few parts but overall it's him.
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There are two ways of spreading light:
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Don't ask why someone is still hurting you; ask why you keep letting them.What you allow continues.

At some point you have to get sick of going through the same sh!t.

Women are NOT rehabilitation centers for badly raised men. It is not your job to fix ,parent, raise or change him.
You want a partner not a project.

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Re: Narcissists- article
#55: November 22, 2013, 01:50:53 AM
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There are two ways of spreading light:
Be the candle; or the mirror that reflects it

Don't ask why someone is still hurting you; ask why you keep letting them.What you allow continues.

At some point you have to get sick of going through the same sh!t.

Women are NOT rehabilitation centers for badly raised men. It is not your job to fix ,parent, raise or change him.
You want a partner not a project.

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Re: Narcissists- article
#56: November 22, 2013, 01:52:52 AM
MLCers look exactly as PD cluster B people. But they was normal before, at least majority of them.
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Re: Narcissists- article
#57: November 22, 2013, 02:09:32 AM
Albatross,Init
Thanks for your comments.

 a midlife crisis is not permanent unlike a personality disorder
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MLC,PD OR MORE(Blog Topic)
http://mlcforum.theherosspouse.com/index.php?topic=3987.0

NARCISSISM & MLC
http://mlcforum.theherosspouse.com/index.php?topic=3917.0

My story:-
http://mlcforum.theherosspouse.com/index.php?topic=3747.0

BD nov 2012
H 55 M 54
Married 25yrs

Initially : I don't want her and I don't want you.
PA with alienator 21 yrs younger mar 2012
OW came and took him Jan 2013
To find out if the grass is greener one must take risks.
I did'nt want this but after what I've done i will have to go.
I think I love her and I'm unsure about you.
If you love me you will have to let me go...I'll come back when I am old.
I want to have fun ..I can't live another 15 yrs with you.
WHY,WHY...asks himself.
When we both calm down we will talk...

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Re: Narcissists- article
#58: November 22, 2013, 06:50:06 AM
wow thanks LBS. So I am trying to decide if H has a "MLC induced PD" or if he really "always has had" a PD????  I have to admit, because of our history it seems he has always had it......probably because of childhood issues, he lost some time growing up, THAT I know for sure.  Do you think someone with a PD can change, I mean MLC is a transition, they shed the old that isn't working anymore OR will it always be there?
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Re: Narcissists- article
#59: November 22, 2013, 07:39:24 AM
31andcounting

That is what I am questioning too wrt my H.
I think if they were like that before MLC ,therapy wud be required....  if they are willing to take it!
See below:

What Is the Outlook for People With Narcissistic Personality Disorder?

The prognosis depends on the severity of the disorder and the degree to which people who seek treatment recognize problems within themselves and desire to change aspects of their personality that may be maladaptive.
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MLC articles:-

MLC,PD OR MORE(Blog Topic)
http://mlcforum.theherosspouse.com/index.php?topic=3987.0

NARCISSISM & MLC
http://mlcforum.theherosspouse.com/index.php?topic=3917.0

My story:-
http://mlcforum.theherosspouse.com/index.php?topic=3747.0

BD nov 2012
H 55 M 54
Married 25yrs

Initially : I don't want her and I don't want you.
PA with alienator 21 yrs younger mar 2012
OW came and took him Jan 2013
To find out if the grass is greener one must take risks.
I did'nt want this but after what I've done i will have to go.
I think I love her and I'm unsure about you.
If you love me you will have to let me go...I'll come back when I am old.
I want to have fun ..I can't live another 15 yrs with you.
WHY,WHY...asks himself.
When we both calm down we will talk...

 

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