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MLC Monster Re: REPLAY
#60: September 05, 2013, 07:10:34 PM
Specially, how to cope with MLCer in REPLAY. They are exact as people with PD.

With a big difference, people with PD's are medicated and can be perfectly normal if they follow medication and other treatment as well as change their lives to a way of living more suitable to their condition. No way one is going to have such thing with an MLCer.

Not all people with PD do it, of course, but those who do it can lead normal lives. Also, many people with PDs know that they suffer from one. An MLCer in Replay may, at least until a certain point in their journey, sense something is wrong with them, but don't know what they have.

And no point in telling them.

Since your wife did not suffer from a PD before she does not have one. Like you said PDs develop until late teens/early adulthood. Unlike mood disorders, who can turn up at any age. And by the way Bipolar is a mood disorder, not a personality one, so, technically, our MLCers could had start suffering from Bipolar at an adult age.

Still, I doubt that is the case. They are just showing signs of several personality and mood disorders.


Found this, it may help to understand a bit of our MLcers cycles:

"BPD and bipolar are often misdiagnosed as each other. Some people diagnosed with BPD actually have bipolar; the reverse is also true.

While only a qualified clinician can make a diagnosis of one or the other (or if both are present) there are three simple ways to distinguish bipolar disorder from borderline personality disorder.

Bipolar disorder causes dramatic mood swings, from overly "high" and/or irritable to sad and hopeless, and then back again, often with periods of normal mood in between. Severe changes in energy and behavior go along with these changes in mood. The periods of highs and lows are called episodes of mania and depression.

A cycle is the period of time it takes for a person to go through one episode of mania and one of depression. The frequency and duration of these cycles vary from person to person, from once every five years to once every three months. People with a subtype of bipolar (rapid--cycling bipolar) may cycle more quickly, but much less quickly than people with BPD (shifts can even last minutes/seconds).

According to Dr. Friedel, director of the BPD program at Virginia Commonwealth University, there are two main differences between BPD and bipolar disorder:

1. People with BPD cycle much more quickly, often several times a day.

2. The moods in people with BPD are more dependent, either positively or negatively, on what's going on in their life at the moment. Anything that might smack of abandonment (however far fetched) is a major trigger.

3. In people with BPD, the mood swings are more distinct. Marsha M. Linehan, professor of psychology at the University of Washington, says that while people with bipolar disorder swing between all-¬encompassing periods of mania and major depression, the mood swings typical in BPD are more specific. She says, "You have fear going up and down, sadness going up and down, anger up and down, disgust up and down, and love up and down."

from http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/stop-walking-eggshells/201003/three-easy-ways-differentiate-bipolar-and-borderline-disorders

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Re: REPLAY
#61: September 05, 2013, 07:30:00 PM
My w was diagnosed for dissociative depersonalization disorder. The traits are "feeling unreal" like watching their lives in a movie instead if living it. And zero emotional connection.  It also entailed her severing all emotional connections that she had.

 Some if the things she said were like"do you know what is like to look at your kids and know there is nothing there?" Very scary coming from someone that loved her kids more than anything.

Not alot of help out there for DPD...and it's traits are similar to MLC...hence how I found this place. Either way is miserable all the same.

Replay has been like her being 14-15 yrs all over again. Except she wants to remove me from the equation as I am the thing she thinks she made a mistake on. She even told the kids if she could go back she would??huh??  Telling the kids that?

Good topic

Nice post anjae
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Re: REPLAY
#62: September 05, 2013, 08:24:24 PM
My w was diagnosed for dissociative depersonalization disorder. The traits are "feeling unreal" like watching their lives in a movie instead if living it. And zero emotional connection.  It also entailed her severing all emotional connections that she had.

 Some if the things she said were like"do you know what is like to look at your kids and know there is nothing there?" Very scary coming from someone that loved her kids more than anything.

Since your wife had not show such signs before and that nearly no health professional is capable of recognise MLC, even because its symptoms are many times similar to several disorders (my cousin was diagnose range went from schizophrenic to psychotic passing through borderline, bipolar, and things I no longer remember. He was none of those things. The only diagnosed that was correct was that he was depressed.

Yet, somehow, meds for bipolar worked. Antidepressants did not, they only left him more aggressive.

Of course telling the kids that, you know how MLCers are...  ::) ::) ::) Some MLCers like Mr J and Trusandlove's husband take ages to reach stages/actions many get to early on. The first time I heard "Marry you was the bigest mistake of my life" was early 2011. Mr J had left middle October 2006, OW1 made public a few days after he left.

By early 2011 he was living with OW2 and one would have to say that, since he was so happy in his new life, he should not be upset or spewing monster at me, right? Wrong. How come someone who has choose to leave, lead a new life, decides to spit vitriolic venom to the spouse over 4 years after they left?...

MLC, I think... If only MLCers would calm down, look for help, put a stop in their  manic lives. And for wallowers if only they would look for help for their depression.
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Re: REPLAY
#63: September 05, 2013, 11:19:19 PM
This is awesome Albatross! I just read that big post on the Shadow over and over again.
I think I now, more than ever, believe :) I went through my own transition first, unbeknown to both of us. This makes so much sense of a dark place i was in right before HIS BD. I found myself just as he got so lost. I can't even guide him to help him find his way. They really, honestly need to do so themselves.
 But I do believe that if the person had selfish/narcissistic qualities in the first place it makes it a crisis, not a transition. Not big noting myself but I've always been a given, wanting nothing in return. He's always been a taker. Always wanting more. This has taught me it has to go both ways.
This really is a spiritual journey. An identifying of self and all we can, no SHOULD be. In my head i'm always saying 'come on! Catch up (to me) baby!!' Hopefully one day, he will.
I'm loving this thread.. It's going places ! :)

JB this is my sitch entirely. H was very much a taker especially 2010 onwards. I remember saying, you're a taker, you take other people's money and you take their time (meaning mine!!!!)

If it was a normal break up we just wouldn't get this monster would we! When our exes saw our distress they would be sympathetic not dig the knife in further and twist it around???
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Re: REPLAY
#64: September 06, 2013, 01:16:36 AM
My w was diagnosed for dissociative depersonalization disorder. The traits are "feeling unreal" like watching their lives in a movie instead if living it. And zero emotional connection.  It also entailed her severing all emotional connections that she had.

 Some if the things she said were like"do you know what is like to look at your kids and know there is nothing there?" Very scary coming from someone that loved her kids more than anything.

Not alot of help out there for DPD...and it's traits are similar to MLC...hence how I found this place. Either way is miserable all the same.

Replay has been like her being 14-15 yrs all over again. Except she wants to remove me from the equation as I am the thing she thinks she made a mistake on. She even told the kids if she could go back she would??huh??  Telling the kids that?

Good topic

Nice post anjae

I don't believe that Your wife have dissociative depersonalization disorder, it is so VERY, VERY rare by all statistics. I am almost 100 % sure that she is in MLC. My wife had several dissociative episodes in February this year when we have some clashes. MLCers are in the fog and severe depressions in long therm can bring them to dissociate.

Take look at THIS, read whole page and at bottom You will find very interesting stuff.
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Re: REPLAY
#65: September 06, 2013, 01:50:28 AM
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  JB this is my sitch entirely. H was very much a taker especially 2010 onwards. I remember saying, you're a taker, you take other people's money and you take their time (meaning mine!!!!)
 

tough times - mine would even admit he was selfish. like it was normal. just like saying 'I have blue eyes' He just accepted that it was what he was and didn't seem to want to change it. Don't get me wrong! He was (is?) an amazing guy! Big heart. A sweetie but just so self centred. I used to get angry at him coz he'd always push the line. As in he had so much freedom but always pushed it that one bit further which usually effected ME. Meant I missed out. He even said to me once ' I know I push the line but don't know why?' it's like he KNOWS these things but just doesn't have the self control to reign himself in. But in saying that, he gets himself into situations so deep so fast and then hasn't the balls to stand up, be a man and get himself out.
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Re: REPLAY
#66: September 06, 2013, 04:03:53 AM
Any of us have personality disorder, nobody is without some issues, but exists medical scale how far someone personality is out of normal. Means that exists mark and everyone below it haven't pathological personality disorder. Also exists degrees of pathological PD's from mild to severe.

Point is that people with PD's hard to discover by medical institutions, because many of PD's thinks that they are normal. Only those who realize that they have issues and seek for help find out that they have PD.

Another thing is that medical pros can't for sure diagnose PD without family members.

Anyway 10 % of general population have some PD ! Imagine how much is undetectable ! Go figure !
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Re: REPLAY
#67: September 06, 2013, 05:14:34 AM
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I don't believe that Your wife have dissociative depersonalization disorder, it is so VERY, VERY rare by all statistics. I am almost 100 % sure that she is in MLC. My wife had several dissociative episodes in February this year when we have some clashes. MLCers are in the fog and severe depressions in long therm can bring them to dissociate.

Take look at THIS, read whole page and at bottom You will find very interesting stuff.
Thank you.

I'm not sure either way, but I will say this...I have seen depressive episodes the whole time I've known her. They were never targeted at me.  This last episode included alot of cutting "just to feel something". She is acting as if in a movie...going through the motions and not really living.  Whether it is DPD or MLC there's not a whole lot I can do until SHE wants help. So I just do my best with our kids and I.  Very strange watching someone that shows zero emotions....



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Re: REPLAY
#68: September 06, 2013, 05:38:55 AM
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I don't believe that Your wife have dissociative depersonalization disorder, it is so VERY, VERY rare by all statistics. I am almost 100 % sure that she is in MLC. My wife had several dissociative episodes in February this year when we have some clashes. MLCers are in the fog and severe depressions in long therm can bring them to dissociate.

Take look at THIS, read whole page and at bottom You will find very interesting stuff.
Thank you.

I'm not sure either way, but I will say this...I have seen depressive episodes the whole time I've known her. They were never targeted at me.  This last episode included alot of cutting "just to feel something". She is acting as if in a movie...going through the motions and not really living.  Whether it is DPD or MLC there's not a whole lot I can do until SHE wants help. So I just do my best with our kids and I.  Very strange watching someone that shows zero emotions....



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Comparing Your case with mine, I see same. Your W obviously had issues from childhood, FFO issues. She was prone to be depressive all the time. But sudden changes in personality always means MLC IMHO. She is in MLC because what I mention up. I am almost 100 % sure that any MLCer in replay knows that is something terible wrong with him, also in case that we can bring them to medical care shrinks will find a lot stuff in them which will point on variety of psycho disorders of any kind...

Keep faith bro, be lighthouse for Your family.
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Re: REPLAY
#69: September 06, 2013, 10:47:55 AM
I'm curious about a few things:

1. If replay starts long before BD, why do we say that replay averges 2 years +?
2. What signs/symptoms would suggest replay prior to the OW/OM being around?
3. Does the narcissism get worse futher along in the tunnel?

Thanks again for this topic; I am learning a lot.
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