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#90: February 19, 2014, 07:09:55 PM
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Re: No Contact
#91: February 19, 2014, 07:37:13 PM
ooh no, I dont think that would be a good idea...then he would get really mad...
if one of my kids were here I could take them...but they both live in another country.
at least we meet in a restaurant...that gives me the freedom to leave if I want to.

But still I think I will be a little disappointed about breaking no contact if he says something nasty.....

I wish there was some way of knowing when they are coming out of it....without having to subject oneself to a hail of negative comments..
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Re: No Contact
#92: February 20, 2014, 01:57:39 AM
WHY? are you seeing him?
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There are two ways of spreading light:
Be the candle; or the mirror that reflects it

Don't ask why someone is still hurting you; ask why you keep letting them.What you allow continues.

At some point you have to get sick of going through the same sh!t.

Women are NOT rehabilitation centers for badly raised men. It is not your job to fix ,parent, raise or change him.
You want a partner not a project.

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Re: No Contact
#93: February 20, 2014, 06:52:43 PM
We are 27 months post BD, divorced 5 months ago, mostly because I thought it would end the craziness a bit and I dont regret it, I think it needed to happen to protect myself from H poor money management skills. I have been no contact fo four months, he wrote once and wanted to meet. I said no, I dont think so, not right now, mostly because the last time I saw him he was very Monster. Then a month later and he wrote again, I was a little curious to see how he was doing, who knows maybe someday he will get better?

I saw him today in a restaurant and I realized he is deep in tunnel. He just wanted to see me to get information which might be useful to him. He had eyes everted, a cold expression. H is basically narcissistic, looks out for himself. I told him that I had seen BIL and that he is in poor financial situation and has lost a lot of weight, possibly due to lack of food. H basically abandoned his own family when he left us, and they are even worse off than our kids, because at least our kids have me. H appears oblivious, clearly OW keeps him well fed. It looks like it will be my job to keep ex BIL and family from starving.

I did throw a couple of well aimed truth darts, which brought out Monster. I mentioned how his family loved him and we were very surprised by him leaving. He replied by threatening not to see me again. The funny thing is that he insisted that I had asked to see him, instead of him asking to see me. He always does that, asking to see me and then claiming I am pursuing him.

Back to no contact, clearly he is a long way from coming out of replay.
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Re: No Contact
#94: February 20, 2014, 07:06:27 PM
Yep they turn EVERYTHING around to it was US when it was THEM!!

Narcissist  isn't even the word for it!

I have no idea how I'm not certifiable by now. Everything was always my fault and I was the one to blame!

Listen to me if you've read anything about this there is no "cure" for it or "getting better"
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Heal yourself THAT's where you put the effort!

http://anupturnedsoul.wordpress.com/2013/07/20/are-you-a-magnet-for-narcissists/
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There are two ways of spreading light:
Be the candle; or the mirror that reflects it

Don't ask why someone is still hurting you; ask why you keep letting them.What you allow continues.

At some point you have to get sick of going through the same sh!t.

Women are NOT rehabilitation centers for badly raised men. It is not your job to fix ,parent, raise or change him.
You want a partner not a project.

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Re: No Contact
#95: February 21, 2014, 02:30:14 AM
l think if your hoping to R , NC is very risky .
Few things.
1stly , l've read as many R stories all over the net as l can find and most of them were still in contact right through that l've found. A lot of them still did a few things together along the way or talked as they picked up or dropped of kids , drop in , all sorts of things.
Me l did hope to R and l felt NC would be very risky bc one , l know my ex would read it as l'm moving on. And then with everything that's happened , 2 different lives now , feelings and still anger underneath , NC at all just makes things even stranger anytime there's been a gap in contact and possibly anger starting to surface , then resentment and on. Because if it good contact , that helps well me anyway , sorta remember the good and forgive
But another huge thing for me was splitting with a gf yrs ago before l was married.
We fort a lot and wanted different things but there was good stuff between us too , but it was all really confusing and eventually l got out of it.
Thing is , l needed to hear stuff from her , see the love , if l did l would've wanted to try again. But l never heard from her and the few times l dropped round for things she was very 180ish.
l hoped splitting up might wake her up and bring her round a bit [ stop her being such a b@tch basically ]  but l got this 180 type thing and because of that l never bothered .
But had of she shown me what l needed instead , l would've wanted to get back together and marry her.

So that's the way NC effected me with her. That was 19yrs ago and she never got married and she never had kids, very sad .
So it's a very risky gamble and game to play if it's not what you really want.
Speaking purely from a wanting to R point of view only that is.
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Re: No Contact
#96: February 21, 2014, 02:39:39 AM
Thanks Hawk

I am only 7 weeks into BD and it is too soon to be honest to know whether i want to R or not - I am still in grief and shock.
My WAP is in No Contact - we dont have any shared children or property so there is no reason for us to maintain contact.
So i am in the position where even if I wanted to be in contact I am not sure how or why. I am too upset at the moment....
I have read that, at least in the beginning stages, we should MATCH their style of contact - ie if they are NC so should we be. ESPECIALLY if there is OP involved (there is another woman in my case)...

Even though the NC is painful and hard I know that, in my case, at this early stage, it is the best thing for me and D> I am trying to hold onto my self respect after such a serious betrayal. I dont believe I would maintain this if i made contact with him.

I also believe that if they want to make contact they will. It needs to come from them if they have run off, betrayed through infidelity, started their new life...etc etc - escape and avoid,REPLAY etc

Hope this makes sense in some way. I am still trying to work my way through things..
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Re: No Contact
#97: February 21, 2014, 03:36:59 AM
I feel that if they keep right on going and never look back they were someone I wasn't supposed to be with to begin with. Emotionally UNAVAILABLE. Unable or unwilling to see the harm they've inflicted or in denial of it.  And IMHO because it didn't happen to THEM. NO EMPATHY.

And anyone who could act and say the things that have been displayed to me? I definitely do not want anything to do with.

I wish no further contact with him or his mother. I was a doormat and a people pleaser and a scapegoat for them long enough.

I agree with Bellagio88 the only way I've found my way to a stronger sense of self respect is through no contact.

I stopped talking to his mother after I was again yelled at when she had overextended herself when all she had to do was OPEN HER MOUTH and tell me what her problem was. She really wanted to yell at him for all of this. I'm not making the same mistakes again. She had all ready done that once before. She paints herself like some sweet caring person? Believe me she isn't.

He and I  fought like cats and dogs through the entire relationship I would specifically ask for what I needed he would flatly refuse it. But I kept trying. I thought I was the problem. So I stopped FEELING.

If you cannot communicate a need you cannot expect someone to be a mind reader. Most people don't because they are unwilling to make themselves that vulnerable.

There's nothing else I will ever need to hear from him it will be all lies and bull$hit anyway- and he'll get none of his questions (if he has any) answered by me either.
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« Last Edit: February 21, 2014, 04:13:37 AM by in it »
There are two ways of spreading light:
Be the candle; or the mirror that reflects it

Don't ask why someone is still hurting you; ask why you keep letting them.What you allow continues.

At some point you have to get sick of going through the same sh!t.

Women are NOT rehabilitation centers for badly raised men. It is not your job to fix ,parent, raise or change him.
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Re: No Contact
#98: February 22, 2014, 08:02:57 AM
Thanks Hawk

I am only 7 weeks into BD and it is too soon to be honest to know whether i want to R or not - I am still in grief and shock.
My WAP is in No Contact - we dont have any shared children or property so there is no reason for us to maintain contact.
So i am in the position where even if I wanted to be in contact I am not sure how or why. I am too upset at the moment....
I have read that, at least in the beginning stages, we should MATCH their style of contact - ie if they are NC so should we be. ESPECIALLY if there is OP involved (there is another woman in my case)...

Even though the NC is painful and hard I know that, in my case, at this early stage, it is the best thing for me and D> I am trying to hold onto my self respect after such a serious betrayal. I dont believe I would maintain this if i made contact with him.

I also believe that if they want to make contact they will. It needs to come from them if they have run off, betrayed through infidelity, started their new life...etc etc - escape and avoid,REPLAY etc

Hope this makes sense in some way. I am still trying to work my way through things..
B x


Yeah it sure does make sense Bell. Maybe that's how that ex gf looked at it now that you put it that way. l didn't run  of with another g but it was messy .
When you put it that way she didn't really have an op to show me what l needed without throwing as you say , self respect out the window.

In your case Bell , l don't see how else you could go either.
lf it wasn't for my d , our house and finances , l would  have had to go that way now with my ex. She did move out , she did start seeing someone else , quit on her family , marriage. Yes l messed up big to but l didn't quit or go seeing an ow.
l know that hurt you speak to don't worry. My first 2mths of this was the most sickening hurting time l've ever been through, l could not believe this and even today , so long after it still is.
But there was my daughter , l could not believe we were apart and l'd be visiting my own d , l could not believe it.
So basically l was in turmoil about just what to do but l had to see my daughter and somehow be her dad , that was number 1.
And for what this was doing to her , l didn't want her seeing mum and dad ugly and bitter , it'd only amplify the whole surreal thing 10 fold. Or risk ex doing something even crazier, very heartbreaking and very tricky.

l often wonder if all that came across right to my d and l still hope she respected me for what l was doing and not thought l was a sucker for even talking to mum. She wouldn't have known about what went on with us and my part in it see but she was living what mum had done now so !.

Back to no easy way , answers.
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Re: No Contact
#99: February 22, 2014, 08:46:25 AM
I feel that if they keep right on going and never look back they were someone I wasn't supposed to be with to begin with. Emotionally UNAVAILABLE. Unable or unwilling to see the harm they've inflicted or in denial of it.  And IMHO because it didn't happen to THEM. NO EMPATHY.

And anyone who could act and say the things that have been displayed to me? I definitely do not want anything to do with.

I wish no further contact with him or his mother. I was a doormat and a people pleaser and a scapegoat for them long enough.

I agree with Bellagio88 the only way I've found my way to a stronger sense of self respect is through no contact.

I stopped talking to his mother after I was again yelled at when she had overextended herself when all she had to do was OPEN HER MOUTH and tell me what her problem was. She really wanted to yell at him for all of this. I'm not making the same mistakes again. She had all ready done that once before. She paints herself like some sweet caring person? Believe me she isn't.

He and I  fought like cats and dogs through the entire relationship I would specifically ask for what I needed he would flatly refuse it. But I kept trying. I thought I was the problem. So I stopped FEELING.

If you cannot communicate a need you cannot expect someone to be a mind reader. Most people don't because they are unwilling to make themselves that vulnerable.

There's nothing else I will ever need to hear from him it will be all lies and bull$hit anyway- and he'll get none of his questions (if he has any) answered by me either.


First up , againlike Bellls , who could blame you init and your right. It's all blown my theory competently to smithereens again. Mine didn't seem to look back and even this morning 15mths later when l was picking up my d , l'm still almost in tears as l've been on another very low with what's happened again just this wk. My daughter , everything .
But your right , zero comprehensions , zero and zero empathy. She actually cracked a joke to my daughter about the amount of stuff she packed.
Hello , my poor daughter now has to pack a bag every Saturday morning to go live with her dad for the wkened . And her dad , 15mths later , is still in tears 1/2 the wk from missing his daughter and not being able to live in the same house as her. And he still hurts to the bone over what she did too and this whole load of bs.
Nice as pie , friendly , helpful , but totally insensitive - still , to just what she has done to us both . lt's as if it's all some fun adventure for us , d's house , my house , of to dads , it fkg makes me ill and still cuts to the core.
And then so one day she says to me - What's all this Jeckle and Hyde stuff - she couldn't even get the emotional turmoil and roller coaster heartbreak she'd thrown me into. Apparently l should be all smooth and happy .

l hear you both , no worries there and now l feel like an idiot for even talking to mine let alone allowing nice.

l've also been trying to get kik working on my phone. Ex said , how come you want kik so bad , just use the phone or text.
Hello , my daughter has her ipad with her 24/7 , always charged , alway got a connection. Sometimes l can't get her for a wk on her phone because it's flat or runs out of credit , so l have to go through ex - She can't even see what the problem is or what it is lll have to now try to do to be the best dad l can under this bs. She can't even see the pain l'm in missing my d , and hwo l need to be able to reach her .
She even thinks it's all fun for d . Two houses and all.
The wks l've carried my poor d through this , in tears , the heartache watching and trying to make it better for her.

Your so right init.
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