[in it]

. As I said before, one of her complaints in the last argument was that I didn't empty the water out of the toothbrush holder. Never mind I didn't use the toothbrush holder.

Again I'm sorry I'm laughing but do you see how tiny this gets. 

I picked his damn dirty socks up everyday for thirty years off the floor. NEVER SAID A THING TO HIM -EVER. But I still resented it.

And if you are still typing and making sense your mind is just fine!

You crack me up!

[in it]

http://www.futurescopes.com/falling-love/811/10-qualities-women-look-man

I agree with most of these. I read a few other articles.

Sometimes I see different things in different articles this is pretty straightforward. Ladies feel fee to post here if there's something you strongly disagree with.

[Zendog]

Again I'm sorry I'm laughing but do you see how tiny this gets.     

Oh I get it. Believe me I get it. And if it weren't true it wouldn't be so darn funny. When she said it, I literally had no response to it. Nothing. Even now, two months later, I still got nothing.

And that article is good. At least that's what I aimed for. Probably failed multiple times, but that was the goal.

[in it]

Even now, two months later, I still got nothing.

 

[StillStanding]

There are a couple of books by Shaunti Feldhahn that delve into some of these issues:

http://www.shaunti.com/book/for-women-only-2/

http://www.shaunti.com/book/for-men-only-21/ (with her husband Jeff)

I didn't realize they have new editions available now; I'll have to track down some copies.

http://www.shaunti.com/about-the-updates-2/

[Albatross]

http://www.futurescopes.com/falling-love/811/10-qualities-women-look-man

I agree with most of these. I read a few other articles.

Sometimes I see different things in different articles this is pretty straightforward. Ladies feel fee to post here if there's something you strongly disagree with.

I have really all of those qualities, which keep our marriage for 25  years. But MLC is "de-sease" Something get very wrong with her in her childhood. 0 to 10 years. And there You go.

[in it]

I realize Albatross that these articles don't really apply to MLC women.

 They are hopefully helpful to the men that are struggling with thier self image due to this crisis thier wives ...  exwives etc are having.

If you have been all of these things to your wife you've been an exceptional man. And she is after all the one with the problem. And you can't help her solve it. You already know A LOT about that.

I started this so the MEN on here could maybe find a way to take care of themselves. I still think in some respects this is quite a bit harder for men than woman IMHO.

[Braveheart]

I realize Albatross that these articles don't really apply to MLC women.

 They are hopefully helpful to the men that are struggling with thier self image due to this crisis thier wives ...  exwives etc are having.

If you have been all of these things to your wife you've been an exceptional man. And she is after all the one with the problem. And you can't help her solve it. You already know A LOT about that.

I started this so the MEN on here could maybe find a way to take care of themselves. I still think in some respects this is quite a bit harder for men than woman IMHO.

The hardest part to wrap our brains around is the fact that while none of us men are perfect, many of us did far more for our wives than a lot of guys we know whose wives did not run off. It takes a while to come to the conclusion that most of what we've been told as reasons at BD are total crap. The vast majority of the time there's been another man/men in the mix for 6 months to a year, they don't pull the plug unless they feel it a done deal.

[in it]

Pretty much! They are the same as men they are afraid to be alone! That safety net HAS TO BE THERE.

They haven't got enough sense of themselves to make a CLEAN BREAK instead they delude themselves into thinking they need a CLEAN SLATE. To rewrite history with. Experience that "high" again. It's just absolutely RIDICULOUS!!!

I can't imagine the anger a man must feel at all of this. If you feel you've done everything you possibly could and this is how it ends??? Seriously?

She'll find out if she doesn't know already. MOST of what she thinking is absolute BULLSH!T.

And everything at BD is BULL$h!te too.

It's going to be up to YOU in the end if you want HER back not the other way around.

They talk about women being "bitter" well let me tell you.. men have the possibility also.

 And I'm not trying to say you don't have a perfect right to be especially if you have reached the limit of what you will tolerate.

After that whatever feelings you have you'll have to sort out for yourself.  If you ever want to have another relationship or not. With her or someone else.

[Braveheart]

Pretty much! They are the same as men they are afraid to be alone! That safety net HAS TO BE THERE.

They haven't got enough sense of themselves to make a CLEAN BREAK instead they delude themselves into thinking they need a CLEAN SLATE. To rewrite history with. Experience that "high" again. It's just absolutely RIDICULOUS!!!

I can't imagine the anger a man must feel at all of this. If you feel you've done everything you possibly could and this is how it ends??? Seriously?

She'll find out if she doesn't know already. MOST of what she thinking is absolute BULLSH!T.

And everything at BD is BULL$hit too.

It's going to be up to YOU in the end if you want HER back not the other way around.

They talk about women being "bitter" well let me tell you.. men have the possibility also.

 And I'm not trying to say you don't have a perfect right to be especially if you have reached the limit of what you will tolerate.

After that whatever feelings you have you'll have to sort out for yourself.  If you ever want to have another relationship or not. With her or someone else.

In my case, I'm not bitter, just viewing things from a position of clarity,  two and a half years post BD. No, I don't want her back, either the woman I loved no longer exists or never really existed in the first place, somebody I put on a pedestal of my own creation. I honestly don't know how anyone can take back someone has treated them in this manner, unless they feel they will never do any better or fear being alone.

As far as other realtionships go, the odds are a great many of the women a middle aged man like myself will meet will themselves be MLC wives/ X's of other men or in the middle of peri menopause.  This is not pleasant prospect, but one that has to be considered.