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#100: November 18, 2014, 06:14:44 AM

I love you stayed, you're why I still lurk here...  And I really only contribute when I feel I can offer a perspective that might help.  I love all the positive endings, and that is the other small reason I come back--I love when a stander wins. 

But there is a difference between being "stuck" and standing still.  Stuck is ruminating.  Stuck is what happens when you are so focused on reading the last chapters of your life that you stop writing the new ones.  Standing still is closing the old book and contemplating the new one.  It is sitting with the story board in your head and sketching out potential stories, imagining the characters and plot lines until you finally settle on a direction--perhaps only to come back in a year or two to do it all over.  It is like meditation, it is NOT inaction or inactivity, it is a positive rejuvenating state.  And it CAN include standing, or moving forward, and moving forward is not always done in a positive way, either.

It was important to me to point out though that judging those who heal faster may not be appropriate if done from a standing perspective.  I have known many LBS IRL now, only a few who have stood, none with a successful R.  But, those who never think to stand heal much faster.  If you look at it from a victim perspective, the anger sets in right away and the boiling hatred they are allowed, and even encouraged to feel, from society-at-large, gives them the fuel to fix stuff faster.  They never spend time reading the old chapters, they move on.  And while it is true, you must heal and you must clean up the mess of your M, a healthy new partner CAN actually HELP you do that.  And, it is also possible that two very unhealthy broken people can join together and heal each other--I have seen that, also--that is my story, basically. 

But, my real point was that focusing on where your MLCer is in the process, or where you are, in your own process is ruminating, it is not living.  Of course we all do, to a certain extent and sometimes, it's healthy.  But it is far more productive to have goals and benchmarks than to meander aimlessly.  I am a planner, by nature, by training, and very competitive, always.  I never felt that way in my M and never with friends, but when he became the enemy, damn if every competitive cell in my body didn't wake up and say "you will win over my dead body."  And I almost gave him that, too, the closest I ever came to suicide.  But hell no.  The healthiest thing I did was set goals for myself.  And I'll be damned if I haven't kept every single one, including now, as I come up on my five year mark, I am mostly financially stable in a job I love.  I had to rewrite my story a few times, it took a few plot twists I didn't expect, but I write it, every day. 

And if I had been focused on him, I would still be watching him twist in the wind.  He STILL does bizarre things and I KNOW his M is not all he thought it would be.  It actually looks a lot like ours did--the life he didn't want!  But what I have not allowed myself to do is think that every positive interaction, or touch-n-go, or moment of clarity is a sign he is emerging from the tunnel.  I understand even less now than I did on BD, but I do know myself a LOT better and I am happy in my new skin...  Being and LBS is like having dermabrasion of your psyche--painfully laser off the outer layers, so the foundation can regenerate itself.  Anyway, killing time, I also tend to lurk here when I procrastinate at work...  Love and light, ll   

   
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Re: LBS STAGES 2
#101: November 18, 2014, 10:01:35 AM
LisaLives,

Wow! It's hard to even quote anything from your post because I could easily quote the whole thing; so many points I agree with! This paragraph sticks out and I can relate to it; the bold line is something I have attempted to address before on these boards with mixed responses:

It was important to me to point out though that judging those who heal faster may not be appropriate if done from a standing perspective. I have known many LBS IRL now, only a few who have stood, none with a successful R.  But, those who never think to stand heal much faster.  If you look at it from a victim perspective, the anger sets in right away and the boiling hatred they are allowed, and even encouraged to feel, from society-at-large, gives them the fuel to fix stuff faster.  They never spend time reading the old chapters, they move on.  And while it is true, you must heal and you must clean up the mess of your M, a healthy new partner CAN actually HELP you do that.  And, it is also possible that two very unhealthy broken people can join together and heal each other--I have seen that, also--that is my story, basically.

Everyone deals with it and heals from it in different ways! Some will stand forever, some for years, and some for only months! Some will remain passive & "trust in the process" (<--- I think I hate that term as much as "in love"); others will decide, for their own reasons, the process is not worth the wait!

I stood for a while; long enough for me to see what I was dealing with, and long enough to reflect on our history! It was not an easy decision to make! I set certain criteria & boundaries that were "deal breakers"; things that due to my core values & beliefs, if they occurred, I could not overlook as it would go against what I believed in! I could see those deal breakers on the horizon, and EA#2 was basically the nail in the coffin for me, so I decided to stop standing for the marriage (not me), and cut myself free!

I moved into the spare bedroom in June and out of the house on 1 August. No it hasn't been that long, but I have made more progress during that time than I thought possible! I know I made the right decision FOR ME!!!

Once I made the decision to divorce and move on, I made huge gains on my personal healing and growth! The weight was lifted; the white elephant left the room. I allowed all the pent up frustration and anger I was suppressing loose and I burned through it! I finally said my piece on things and that was that! I still truth dart/spear when needed; ignore everything else and basically ignore the X!

Occasionally I still get angry over things; mainly because I feel like I wasted 22 years of my life, but it subsides quickly and for the most part, I am over it! I am forging out a new life for myself; my standard of living has actually increased and my quality time and bond with D11 is much much stronger! I am more at peace now than I think I have in a long, long time!

I have no doubt I am in acceptance; some very minimal anger but that will be gone soon enough!


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Re: LBS STAGES 2
#102: November 18, 2014, 10:12:10 AM
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Stuck is ruminating.  Stuck is what happens when you are so focused on reading the last chapters of your life that you stop writing the new ones.  Standing still is closing the old book and contemplating the new one.

That's it! This is the stage at which the reactive anger stops, the genuine realisation that this is real and that you (as in the LBS) are the most important person in your story (along with children of course if that applies) emerges. It really is a crossroads - do you stay stuck and head blindly in the same direction or do you take a left or a right and change direction?

So many on here stay stuck - focussing on their MLCer 1 or more years after BD. 

This was the point of this thread - to explore the feelings, attitudes, learning and growth that the LBS goes through - if they allow themselves to.
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Re: LBS STAGES 2
#103: November 18, 2014, 10:18:09 AM
i can say lately i am empathetic to his plight but i roll my eyes at everything he says. it's like talking to a brick wall and every now and then i will throw something to see if it sticks cause i get bored.

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Re: LBS STAGES 2
#104: November 18, 2014, 10:59:47 AM
I guess everyone deals with this a little differently.  Many from observing me would think I "moved on" or whatever you want to call it, pretty quick.  I live with my boyfriend and our relationship is fun and exciting, right now. Next year?,..Next week,...I don't know where I will be.  Three years ago if you told me that I would be divorced, I would have laughed in your face.  I think alot differently now, nothing is guaranteed. 

Point is, Why label it?   I don't know if husband will try to come back, if he does, I don't know if I will want him back.  Maybe my boyfriend will go nuts, maybe I will (well, I kind of already did that  ::) ), maybe Brad Pitt will leave Angelina, run past Jen and into my arms.  :D

I don't think my marriage was a waste.  I was very happy for almost 28 years.  Something happened, wish I knew something was wrong, wish he had the "boys" to talk to me, but he didn't and I can't change whatever is going on in his head.  I will never call it "over", ever...

Is that "standing"?  I'm not sure.
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Re: LBS STAGES 2
#105: November 18, 2014, 11:24:24 AM
..................maybe Brad Pitt will leave Angelina, run past Jen and into my arms.  :D

Damn.....between Brad Pitt and Adam Levine, it's a wonder how a normal guy can even compare!!!

LOL!!!  ;)


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Re: LBS STAGES 2
#106: November 18, 2014, 11:26:51 AM
I didn't mention Adam, but sure why not??  ;D ;D
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Re: LBS STAGES 2
#107: November 18, 2014, 01:33:40 PM
Is that "standing"?  I'm not sure.

It's whatever you want it to be, Nah. We are in similar places. I cannot picture reconciliation, but at least it consider myself smart enough to realize that things may change with time. In the mean time, I'm just living my life the best way I know how.
..................maybe Brad Pitt will leave Angelina, run past Jen and into my arms.  :D

Damn.....between Brad Pitt and Adam Levine, it's a wonder how a normal guy can even compare!!!

LOL!!!  ;)


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And since when have you been a normal guy, DO? ;)
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That's was some f*cked up sh!t! I don't ever have to do that again!

Why are you holding on to that? How is it serving you?

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Re: LBS STAGES 2
#108: November 18, 2014, 05:28:22 PM
And since when have you been a normal guy, DO? ;)

HEY!! I'm normal......enough!  I guess I should have said average! Oh wait......if I recall I am above average too! 8)


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Re: LBS STAGES 2
#109: November 18, 2014, 06:29:44 PM
And since when have you been a normal guy, DO? ;)

HEY!! I'm normal......enough!  I guess I should have said average! Oh wait......if I recall I am above average too! 8)


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You just keep telling yourself that, my friend. ;)
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That's was some f*cked up sh!t! I don't ever have to do that again!

Why are you holding on to that? How is it serving you?

One does not make the trip to he!! And back without acquiring transferable skills!

 

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