[elray]

It is the bad asses who are valued.

MBIB,

The quoted portion stands alone without any needed muddling of the issue of including HS members and the impacts of MLC. 

This is settled science as a pretty reliable gender difference, if you care to do a little digging.  The term "Bad Ass" carries a lot of additional baggage and connotations, but the desirability of a man who lives by his own rules, follows his own inner rebel, and brings some swagger and personality is well documented.  The American Cowboy is iconic across the globe for a reason.

[honour]

It is the bad asses who are valued. You don't believe me? Look around this forum and it is chocked full of women who are aching to be in a relationship with someone who has lied and cheated on them. Yet, men who have been loyal, loving and strive to live by principles and who have themselves suffered abuse are "permitted" approved threads that carry large purple warnings against abusive behaviour.

How often do we hear the phrase, "there are no good men left." Maybe there are good men left but perhaps they are just not highly valued.

This bothered me too and it bothered me that the two women who took exception to it were told they weren't allowed to complain in the MAN CAVE.

Bro, bro, bro, you are knew to all this aren't you?  They weren't told they weren't allowed to post or complain, they can complain all they want, we are just making it clear, that here in the Man Cave, we aren't interested in those complaints. Why? Because there is a warning sign on the door.

If you smoke and you get cancer, don't complain that you didn't know, there's warnings on the packet telling you it's dangerous.

[honour]

We determine the outcome of our lives.  If we aren't happy with the direction our lives are going... then change direction... don't shove your thumb in your mouth, sit down and cry.  Get up and look elsewhere!

Too damn right! But what makes you think the men are sitting at home crying. My life is on the up, my business is doing the best it's done since the recession and things are looking even better for 2016. There's money back in my bank, a new car in the garage, the house (yes, MY Man Cave) is freshly decorated and with new home improvements this year; and I've great relationships with my son and daughter and a good group of friends. My work is people centric work, it's happy work, it doesn't work if you are not cheerful. The irony of what I do for a living would kill you if you knew.

And I can do fun things like I'm doing later this week when I pop down to Rome for a short break. Why Rome? Because I can… and I understand you can get some good Italian food down there.

So, I'm back up and running.

You are obviously FISHING in the wrong pool.  If you are not attracting the opposite sex, think about what your BODY LANGUAGE is saying.

I ain't fishin'. The trouble with fishing is you don't know if you've caught a monster until you bring it to the surface. Life is too short to waste time doing all that reeling in.

Now, some homework for the women reading this (and we know you're reading because you just can't stay away), give me a compelling reason why I should risk my new life, my sanity, my home, my independence, my finances and my family on another relationship.

[bookwrmmom]

It also says "everyone is welcome". So perhaps I phrased that the wrong way....I am not really bothered as much as I don't agree with it. I was more referring to the double standard that it seemed OK for the male LBS to pine away (and even admired for being such a great man-as most are here) for the cheating, lying wife. However if the female LBS stands for the H it means we are pining for a badass??? Merely curious about that I suppose.

[Dji76]

Honour, I agree... Why risk Thr new life you have built on a relationship? I would still suggest it's ok to go fishing once in a while. Not all relationships have to intertwine finances etc. Maybe I'm naieve but I believe a healthy sex life can exist outside the confines of a monogamous ltr or marriage.
Bookworm, I agree with you as well. I know a lot of guys here subscribe to certain  beliefs about what women want. While I agree there is some merit to those beliefs, it never once crossed my mind that female lbs are holding out for their "bad ass" mlc husband.
I will say this about standing, it's a great way to get your sh:t together after bd. I also think lots of people chose to stand rather than accept the reality of their situation.

[honour]

I was more referring to the double standard that it seemed OK for the male LBS to pine away (and even admired for being such a great man-as most are here) for the cheating, lying wife. However if the female LBS stands for the H it means we are pining for a badass??? Merely curious about that I suppose.

It's not ok for me. I'm not pining for my xW, I'm not standing and I do NOT want a reconciliation. Why would I want to do that?

[in it]

$h!te honour if I were you I wouldn't bother either!!LOL

 I couldn't agree more it simply takes way too much energy to get involved in another relationship.

I have a job, a nice car, a rental apartment for more income, a business, a great cat. And although I can't jet off  (or drive to Rome)  there's a great pizza place here that delivers.

My wants and needs have become very simple which gives me a lot of happiness. They always were .

  It would be nice to have someone to share those things with..but whatever. I know I'm not looking.

[stayed]

Hell yea man, I wouldn't have bothered either!  And why are you taking this all as though it is directed at you Honour.  You were complaining about the insult of having a WARNING above this thread... I simply said, I agree, it's insulting.  I tried to explain why it's there.  You still want to make an issue about it... fine!

As for dating or not dating.. I don't give a flying f*ck if anybody dates, EVER!  If a man OR woman are interested in dating, then I was suggesting that it might be their own body language that was keeping the opposite sex from approaching them BECAUSE I have met many LBS's and they are VERY ATTRACTIVE people... nice to look at, nice to be around, just all round nice people.  I'm surprised they don't have to beat off suiter's with stick.

Glad to hear you are feeling great, that your business is doing well and that you have a great relationship with your kids, family and friends.  I guess not having anybody to fight with is wearing you down though, or you wouldn't be so combative here in the Man Cave! hehehe.

Hugs Stayed

[Braveheart]

You are obviously FISHING in the wrong pool.  If you are not attracting the opposite sex, think about what your BODY LANGUAGE is saying.

I ain't fishin'. The trouble with fishing is you don't know if you've caught a monster until you bring it to the surface. Life is too short to waste time doing all that reeling in.

Now, some homework for the women reading this (and we know you're reading because you just can't stay away), give me a compelling reason why I should risk my new life, my sanity, my home, my independence, my finances and my family on another relationship.

Too often the automatic assumption from women is if a Single Man ( newly or otherwise) makes any public statements regarding women in a less than flattering light he gets served the "You're just bitter" or you are "Dating the wrong women" cards.

What it boils down to is older guys who already had a long term marriage under their belts, a couple of kids in tow no longer fall for the shaming langauge that was used to manipulate us in the past and resent it when its use is attempted again to keep us on the reservation. Many of us here now realize our true worth and are not willing to put up with the crap we did in the past.

[bookwrmmom]

Now, some homework for the women reading this (and we know you're reading because you just can't stay away), give me a compelling reason why I should risk my new life, my sanity, my home, my independence, my finances and my family on another relationship.

Honour if that is how you feel then you shouldn't, and that is ok too as long as you are honest. So if you happen to be looking to get laid, you need to make it clear to the woman involved that all she is is a piece of a$$. However that being said everyone knows that sometimes real feelings get involved with sex. Unfortunately there are way too many people (men and women both) who are not honest and don't let the other party know that they are just looking to get laid. That is unacceptable because no one should me made to believe they mean more just for sexual favors. It really is not hard to find willing sexual partners, who do not want a commitment if that is what someone wants.