OOOOOHHHHHH!!
I am so glad this thread is continuing
in reply to Anjae on the previous thread
1trouble, we feel that way because that is how the leave framed things: we do not want EU citiens here. I read the British press on a daily basis, I am well aware how the whole business went down and how Leave won. If anything, I read European press far less than British and American one.
No Anjae this is not how the leave campaign framed things, this is how the remain campaign framed things and how the British press in favour of the remain framed things AND the European parliament framed things.....please provide me with some evidence for this statement and I will apologise.....because IMO this is the BIG problem Anjae you have been lead into your views by the PRESS and their view/intepretation of the leave campaign, it is skewed and it goes back to the points I made in prior posts.....
.the vast majority of people I know, the people who took part in subsequent post brexit phone in's....., the people who took part in the post brexit discussion programs that were NOT edited, were angry of how they were judged and portrayed........they were not against Europeans.........., they voted for all the points I raised in previous posts, the beauracracy, the
uncontrollable numbers coming here, the way the original European trading platform had started to turn into a European Federal State...
But you will NEVER read this unbiased/balanced view because the press is PRO remain so they will paint the leavers as bigoted, uneducated uninformed and Euro 'haters' etc.....
The UK has and never lost its sovereignty, it has never lost its borders (it does not have Schengen). The whole we want our sovereignty and our borders back talk is just it, talk.....
Oh NO, Anjae you totally demean what for many British is the fundamental argument .....you are minimalizing what is the key facts and getting emotional over things which are not the main driver for the British people........see how you have been mislead by the media?
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Our Sovereignty WAS being eroded AND, its NOT just "Schengen" as you keep mentioning, this is only one part of it.........we were losing control of what we as a country could decide, our laws for example were being overruled AND Jean-claude was about to move to a European Army.....amongst other things....
I believe our parliament would have become like our Royal Family IMO and would have been puppets ...and its not just me, THESE were REAL fears for a lot of British people.........and I totally believe, if the vote had been for remain we would have sold our "British" souls..... to the unelected and REAL faceless rulers of the EU.
You may had not vote to keep out of a British Univeristy, but that is what is going to happen. And not just with me, with many. Same for business, many business are leaving the UK, planning to leave and those who were thinking of starting a business there no longer are.
Since Scotland wants to remain in the EU I am not certain how the whole thing is going to turn up.
I crossed England off my list after leave won, not before.
Anjea by your own admission YOU don't want to come here anymore, because you have believed the press (British or European)that's your choice....as for business REALLY!! are you telling me that businesses will vote with their emotions as you've done....really?!?!
As for Scotland, well Nicola Sturgeon is the Queen of divisive politics so we will see on that one....
To my knowldege, the UK is, and always was, opened to the rest of the world on its own terms.
Emmm!! actually NO!! The EU dictated the terms and we were not allowed to negotiate with any country outside of the EU....The EU negotiated on our behalf and to give you an example, the trading terms with Canada (I think) has ONLY just been concluded and took them SEVEN years to negotiate! UTTER madness
Cameron knew he was not going to get more than what the UK already had, which is a lot compared with many EU countries. Why would the UK be given even more special previleges?
EHMMM!!
1) we were about to vote on remaining or leaving!
2) there were fundamental problems the UK voters had made clear in our last election and which the EU knew
[Quote from: 1trouble on November 10, 2016, 05:00:02 AM]
At the moment in the area I live they cannot build enough homes, there is a big homeless problem,even though they are building on every time bit of land that comes available, it takes over two weeks to get an appointment at the doctors, it takes nearly an hour to drive somewhere which should only take 20 minutes, the trains aBrusselsre fit to bursting, the schools don't have places for the amount of pupils, everywhere is getting more and more crammed full, rents are going up and up, the price of properly too, its now impossible for most young people to ever be able to afford to buy their own home...............these are facts of life in the UK today
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I know. I think people are aware. None of that has anything to do with the EU. Those are internaL issues of the UK. They may have more to do with a Tory goverment, or even previous not so good Labour ones. Other EU, or non EU or non European countries have similar problems. Those are for the governement of each country to solve.
EU bureaucrats will not be impacted by UK leaving, ordinary people, in the EU and in the UK will.
yes you have a valid point here and I do believe some of the problems we have with our housing and infrastructure is under investment by numerous UK governments....HOWEVER....we have also had unprecedented levels of immigration
In 1996 the UK population was 58.6 million rising to 60 million in 2006.
Since 2006 until the present day the UK population has risen to 65.1 million.
Whereas I take your point in previous government underinvestment, you cannot deny we are facing a HUGE increase in population as a small island and face real problems, on top of this, being part of the EU meant and means we do not know how many people could suddenly come here and when you cannot plan you are in a constant state of reaction......It is placing unprecedented stress on all public services in even reacting to demand and makes forward planning impossible.
Whereas other EU countries no doubt face this to some degree, the UK seems to be the place of choice for many because of our current buoyant economy.
The funny thing is that the reerendum is not legally binding.
Again this is debatable, yes technically referendums are not legally binding, however there are a whole raft of laws and constitutional things that could mean its just that a technicality.
However, given all politicians supposedly work for the people and believe in our polictical system, it would be absolute anarchy to ignore a referendum vote, even a close one.