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#10: January 19, 2017, 01:02:18 AM
Hello, gman,

Interesting reflections...

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I believe at the root of it, as we so often read, is that it comes from not being adequately quipped to understand relationships, develop self esteem, problem solve and navigate life.

All of my crises were rooted in the same thing: becoming stuck and not knowing how to get beyond it.

This would very much seem to be the case with my H, who RCR once described as the poster child for MLC...

I could write a book about all the "typical" things he has done that fit this description; from saying that another person would solve all the problems to saying that he wanted his 18-year-old adrenaline junkie lifestyle....

I remember in the earlier years we even talked about this some, that he "gave up at the first hurdle", because everything had always gone so well for him that he had no idea what to do when it didn't. 

He of course balked at that, saying that it was all my fault, but not before he paused for an instant -- I know something went in, he just pushed it away very firmly. 

I used to be so bewildered, because my H grew up in a close loving family -- the love wasn't questioned, he never even thought about if he was loved or not, it just was so.

If anything, his mother loved him blindly, and there may not have been enough discipline.  But I wasn't there, his sister does say that he got away with things she never would have, as he was the youngest, but it wasn't ever anything that I thought of as a problem. 

And his father WAS there as a parent, very much so.  Kind and loving, from what I could see.  Only thing was that they grew up without material wealth, and I know he somehow felt less than for that reason, and for the associated social class reasons. 

More recently (i.e. in the last 2-3 years) he has started saying that he "felt not good enough", i.e. that that was my fault; I know that that stems from whatever he felt growing up, though.

What I have observed over the many years since he left is a constant starting of new things, new job, new place to live, new OW -- he has gone through 4 jobs, 4 places to live, and is on OW6.  I don't actually know what he is doing for work right now, so perhaps there are more to add to that tally. 

Each time he says "NOW I've got it sorted".  But so far nothing has lasted, jury still out on OW6, this is the first one he is "officially" living with.  (other ones he just "stayed" with....).  But she has only been in the picture something over a year, so who knows. 

He also finally finalised his divorce, settlement yet to happen; perhaps he thinks that NOW all will be well -- me got rid of, kids are over 18 so no need to feel guilty about not being there, new OW without kids...??

I also fully understand what you say about the military lifestyle; my H has frequently said that he "just wants the rules", so that he doesn't have to think, so that he can just do it.    I did try to ask who makes the rules, and how he decides which ones he will follow, but of course that didn't go anywhere. 

My H did very, very well in life for many years -- a good job was always there, good family, good house, great lifestyle.    I guess the downward spiral started when his father died, a good few years before the crisis itself set in, but I can see the rest from there...

Difficulties with our kids, which affected me greatly, hitting the point in his job where he would have to work very hard to get further, and not feeling good enough to do so, the "usual" financial pressures that come with having a good lifestyle and high-pressure job....     and then throw in a good friend's suicide and all h-e-double toothpicks breaks loose.

And someone comes along who puts the idea into his head that it's all me, he then says "huge relief!!  I realised that the problem is that I don't want you!!!" 

And the rest is completely familiar to all of us here.

So, a long-winded response, yes, I do think it is an MLC, how they get through it will depend on if they do ever develop those coping skills, or if they continue to jump from thing to thing..   and if they are enabled or not.
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Re: MLC or Not? A perspective.
#11: January 19, 2017, 02:48:47 AM
Sorry about the mess Trust.
Just wondering , how long were you together and when was bd ?
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Re: MLC or Not? A perspective.
#12: January 19, 2017, 03:12:43 AM
Gman,

I've just recently started wondering about MLC vs. MLT.  And I decided, it really doesn't matter.  Either way, I need to take care of myself, GAL, detach. 

My h has never given me the ILYBINILWY speech.  He seems to understand this is his issue, not mine.  Even at BD he told me this has to do with his childhood issues.  It seems the reason he started the EA with OW is that they related to FOO issues together.  He says he couldn't come to me because he felt such guilt.  I had cancer about four years ago and it seems it affected him by thinking, how can he come to me with issues after everything I've been through?

Our M wasn't perfect but seemed to be close.  But H has always had conflict avoidance issues as well as self esteem issues, so maybe it wasn't as perfect as I thought.  His IC told him, it's not enough to say what you don't want, you have to speak up for yourself and say what you do want.  So maybe there were things that needed fixing that he didn't want, or didn't know how, to tell me.

He is still going to IC.  He is journaling his thoughts to discuss with IC.  I see hope that he is not blaming me, or others, and is trying to make an effort to get through this.

But the reality is, he's still searching for happiness outside himself with OW and goodness knows what else.  So I continue on with my own journey, but I have hope that he will find his answers and heal.

Thank you for starting this discussion, Gman.
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Re: MLC or Not? A perspective.
#13: January 19, 2017, 05:18:09 AM

I've just recently started wondering about MLC vs. MLT.  And I decided, it really doesn't matter.  Either way, I need to take care of myself, GAL, detach. 


Yep.  This is all we REALLY need to know.

Everything else on this forum is just venting and trying to pound it in our heads that we are not crazy.

My husband fits every single stereotype for MLC.  Every. Single. One. 

After almost four years since BD, I STILL wake up thinking, hmmmm.... maybe it was me.  Then I start ticking of all of the crazy and realize, no, He snapped, a switch went off and he ran.  At this point though, it doesn't matter if it was MLC or he just fell out of love or even he never loved me, he was just pretending....for 28 years.  ::)


Through the years I often read other people's thread and I admit I don't think everyone on here has a true MLCer.

So what?  It doesn't matter.  When our hearts are broken and the other person wants nothing to do with us, we all need to do the same thing.  Detach, take care of ourselves and GAL.

It's that simple.
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Re: MLC or Not? A perspective.
#14: January 19, 2017, 06:04:58 AM
Amen! 
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Re: MLC or Not? A perspective.
#15: January 19, 2017, 06:05:40 AM
NAH, could not have said it better.. it isn't what happened, it's how we react to it, we can only control ourselves.

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#16: February 15, 2017, 11:00:54 AM
I was just reflecting on this today.. I realized that in my MLT, I had fantasy affair partners. This was unique to me and my situation, so please don't take it as a criticism upon yourself, but my W's issues, that contributed to her MLC, also contributed to many of our marriage problems.

I suddenly found myself in a corner, I felt like my wife hated me and I hated my job. I guess it's not a surprise to find that I had fantasy alienators either; I had plenty of fantasies about quitting my job and running away, so why not imaginary women to date?

I used to troll facebook, instagram and other places for photos of women and I used to day dream what it would be like to be with them. I had a job where I had a somewhat public face, I worked in a library at the time and there was always a steady stream of young college girls and faculty members that passed through and I was more than happy to let the ones who did, flirt with me.

It made me feel good about myself to see that I wasn't the loathsome person my W made me out to be. I'm somewhat older than my W and for me, i just wanted to be married and to move on with my life and be happy. For her, I don't know.. the stability did nothing for her and she felt trapped and miserable from the stresses of being a new wife and parent.. I was more than happy to take them on after being single and miserable dating losers.

The upside is, as you can read in my thread, is that she's now starting to appreciate me for who I am and the upside here is if your husband is more fantasy prone, the MLC clean up may be a bit easier.. you just delete some photos or inappropriate material off of the computer.. That's what I did. I overcame my acceptance of what was simply handed to me and I decided that despite her own issues, I did love my W and she was worthy of my love and respect, so I went through and got rid of all those photos I had collected.

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Re: MLC or Not? A perspective.
#17: February 15, 2017, 11:12:30 AM
Good for you!   ;D

The real thing is always better than a fantasy. More work, but much more gratifying.
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"From my experience if my H had let me go a long time ago, and stop pressuring me, begging, and pleading and just let go I possibly would have experienced my awakening sooner than I did."

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Re: MLC or Not? A perspective.
#18: February 15, 2017, 01:06:36 PM
gman,


Thank you so much for sharing your story about the imaginary fantasy women and pictures.

Sounds so much like my H!

First time I've saw on the board someone with his same problem yet his is definitely a MLC unfortunately not a MLT.

So glad you  were able to overcome and realize reality is so much more worth it.

I often read your thread because it gives me inspiration.

Thanks so much for sharing.
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Re: MLC or Not? A perspective.
#19: February 15, 2017, 03:40:39 PM
Gman,

I'm sure my H had fantasies in his head, too.  I think it's safe to say most men do at some time, or Playboy magazine would not be so popular   :)

I think the problem is when you act on these fantasies.  I would bet after bd my H probably had pictures of skimpy dressed models in his locker at work (I'm guessing).  But all he could do was fantasize about ever really meeting them....and come on these pictures are of 19/20 year old girls who are airbrushed to perfection.
They look beautiful and men are very visual creatures.   

He never went to the level of porn, but even then, don't most boys/men look at that stuff?  I'm not stupid nor am I a prude.  It never bothered me he looked at semi-dressed pictures of women as long as he KNEW they were not real, but fantasy.  Is that woman in a magazine or on the Internet really a threat to me?  Of course not.

I'm just glad you saw that by keeping these Internet/magazine picture it was not going to enhance your life or better it. That's why I said good for you.   :)  :)
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