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The whole MLC process is selfish.

The OW is certainly selfish, vindictive and manipulative, her mask will fall off sooner of later, and her issues will be on show for all to see.  I try my best not to focus on her,  but when it affects my kids mental health she makes my blood boil, but she has no connection to my kids and never will. 

I will never understand how my exh has walked away from his children, breaking their hearts and dreams, and affecting them emotionally.  Hurt me but don't hurt my children.  The monster MLCer has done unforgivable acts directed at his children.  I have no words to condone his actions....other than bloody MLC!

You are right mlc is selfish and they hurt all the people around them especially the kids !!!! Ow in my case is conniving and selfish as well ....i believe she got herself pregnant ,kept using drugs during pregnancy,did not eat properly and so so wanted to keep her figure and no stretch marks please !! Then she convinced ex to go live in her country so she could be close to her family ....all the time i was getting the blame for his leaving !!! End result their baby has huge heart problems and ex is stuck in her country and who gets the blame for him being stuck??? I do .....why ? cause i started the accusations for him not supporting the kids financially.....his excuse cause he has a sick baby (not that i m not sorry for the baby ) ......why then should my kids suffer the consequences to their actions ?   










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Add this one....

"I set myself free"

Talk about rewriting history... Had h not been confronted, he would still be here

Projection for the future without even realizing it.

Most MLCers screw their lives up by cornering themselves up with even more responsibilities therefore they get stuck.

Then, with time, it's the LBS who tend to be fixers, always doing everything for everyone else and leaving their needs last who eventually end up free.

Mending lioness I have exactkyvthe same - everyone said if you hadn't confronted him H wouldn't have left.

Nah - I've heard several times the opinion that H ran because he couldn't face what he had done and he has cheucked his whole life away because he can't face it all yet continues to make it all worse. Is this what is meant by future projection? My dad said it perfectly 'any port in a storm' and I believe so many of these MLCRs prob Santayana in situations with ow and more trapped because they just go along with stuff? This seems to be common place?
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Mending lioness I have exactkyvthe same - everyone said if you hadn't confronted him H wouldn't have left.

"Everyone" are fools. Wouldn't have mattered whether he had been confronted or not. Mine stayed home for 18 months, then left. No confrontation. Just a panicky exit.
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Mine was with Om for nearly 3years before I confronted her. Most friends and I beleive if I hadnt she would have carried on living in her 2 box lives. she left within 3 days. That was 17months ago

She came back for 31 days recently but was like a caged animal missing OM although she did try to kick the habit. I did get to ask her if she remembered any of the things she had called me when she was monstering. She said she couldnt remember some "conversations" but she never called me X, Y and Z.. 7 days after that conversations she flipped and started monstering again with more personal stuff.
She is now deep deep in her tunnel totally abanding her S26 and S23.
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Mine was with Om for nearly 3years before I confronted her. Most friends and I beleive if I hadnt she would have carried on living in her 2 box lives. she left within 3 days. That was 17months ago

She came back for 31 days recently but was like a caged animal missing OM although she did try to kick the habit. I did get to ask her if she remembered any of the things she had called me when she was monstering. She said she couldnt remember some "conversations" but she never called me X, Y and Z.. 7 days after that conversations she flipped and started monstering again with more personal stuff.
She is now deep deep in her tunnel totally abanding her S26 and S23.
Mental sadness
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I often wonder if my h remembers everything he says when he monsters. Luckily lately it has been through text msgs and I have saved them. I don't see how he can be nice and act like he cares after all of things he has said. By looking at his eyes it is clear that he is not there when that happens.
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He moved out May 21,2017
Ow 41( his 1st cousin) moved her in May 23, 2017, she went back to her husband Oct 2017
Ow moved back with her 2 kids Jan 1 2018 even with courts cutting his visitation with his kids because of it
Ow moved out again Dec 2019 and is back with her husband Jan 2020
T-19 yr M-14 yrs
S14 & D88
BD  February 12 2017 & April 22 2017 (signs of MLC since 2015)
I filed for divorce June 2 2017 for protection- final hearing on our 20th anniversary (July 11,2018) divorce was final August 9, 2018

http://mlcforum.theherosspouse.com/index.php?topic=8791.0
http://mlcforum.theherosspouse.com/index.php?topic=8948.0
http://mlcforum.theherosspouse.com/index.php?topic=9189.0
https://mlcforum.theherosspouse.com/index.php?topic=10052.150

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Yuk... I just suffer brain fart in this thread / topic. I must be simple somehow. Let me try this again. I think ( from what I experienced ) it was so far beyond selfish , it almost does not apply . It was not selfish acts from a man that NEVER once did 1 single selfish thing . NEVER ONCE. That was part of the implosion of "pleasing everyone all their life " and never doing anything for self . I would say, (here goes) my husband never developed a healthy sense of self, never had his own identity , never knew how he felt, his opinions, his needs , his sense of who he is as a person. He was hollow and did everything for everyone... made him a very agreeable ,easy husband . He was always "fine" and for the most part "copied" me or let me "lead the way" because 'barbiedoll must be right ". I said this to the therapist at the very 1st meeting ( when it was my turn to be there alone) . I said " he has no real identity ". She said with eyebrows raised .. " could that be reason for a crisis?" Yes. Indeed it was . Of course ( externally ) he was extremely extremely selfish ... especially since I never witnessed him doing 1 thing for himself in over 30 years . Shocking . But it was far far deeper .. he mentally, physcolgically , spiritually and emotionally disintegrated, emploded in his FOO issues that were never resolved or integrated . It was a deep subconscious action that he was out of control of . I saw him sucked away from who he had always been into a raging, self entitled narcissist .. he became his father . He was afraid . He was afraid of himself . He asked me more than once .. "am I depressed?, what is wrong with me ?, why can't I make a decision? , why can't I think?.  He paced the floors, he did not sleep, his eyes were someone elses, he could not remember anything , he was in a trance . He was firetrucking scary, attacking ,blaming stranger . I remember moving away from glass tables .. afraid he was going to smash it . I remember him grabbing me off my feet up against a post on the deck and spitting a rage " I was firetrucking done everything for YOU for 35 years , and these firetrucking kids ... Now it is MY TURN".  It was like an exorscism of an identity that was emerging from dark shadowy places that was far beyond his control. He was slammed with emotions that he could no longer dismiss or avoid. He was in deep deep emotional pain... they tell me that his affair was a physchological attempt to re-enact his mother abandoning him at 3 ... to go back and heal this wound(regression )  . Sooooo, it is very difficult for me to only address or see the behavior only . Selfish ? Running? Raging ? ... 100% true without question. BUT, there is a far deeper struggle happening that they handle with immaturity ( they are 12), blaming / projection ( no emotional tools , experience or IQ .. this is what has been avoided all their lives ) , running ( they have always outrun these feelings... now they cannot ) and rage ( buried from years of extreme abuse / hurt = anger /rage ).  We were told he should have been hospitalized , many men with this deep depression and confusion are . All of this .. and more are the reasons for this behavior and offers some deeper explantion for a man loosing himself and trying to find an identity that never developed in a healthy secure way in the 1st place. Does that excuse him? NO. It does not ... but we have to look deeper into the human spirit to survive our childhoods, to be wounded in the past and have those wounds float to the surface and look to be healed once and for all , that humans are designed to attach to others ... but until you are securely attached to a fragmented broken self , you cannot truly attach to another . It is a journey to inwardly fix the brokenness that is residing inside the child ... inside the man .  So, "justification" are shallow attempts to explain or cover up or shift blame or to hide from facing the transitions and battles going on far far deeper . Sigh.
I am not sure what exactly I am trying to say .. but in my experience , they  react to this unrest in ways that are utterly shocking to themselves once the pain stops.   I remember asking my 4 year old . "what the hec?? Did you pee your pants ?"  She said " Nooo, my sister did!!!, my sister peed in my pants mama!" .  In many ways , my husband was 4 year old in a man body .

https://thestagesandlessonsofmidlife.org/the-mid-life-crisis-abandonment-issues/
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Married April 1985
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Bomb Drop April 2013
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Affair discovered November 2013 (i guessed who)
Home December 3 2013
The Journey Of Reconciliation .. is for the brave .

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I think you did a great job explaining. I've seen the rage, the anger, the confusion, the trance and those eyes are scary. My alien has abandonment issues as well.
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Barbiedoll,

I think you did wonderful at explaining it too. I often wonder how my h  dealt with his issues without showing it. Answer is he never did. I have been telling people for years that he never did deal with his mom's death or his dad flat out telling him that he didn't like the person he is or ever was and that he never wanted to see him again. His dad did this 2 x's to him and once to my son. That is a lot to deal with on top of his uncle committing suicide 1.5 month after his mom died and his brother trying to commit suicide exactly 2 years later. Sad part is that this man he has become is just like his father. I try to think about this every time I get so angry with him over what he has done. It is hard and I hope that he can get himself through this for his own peace of mind. I think knowing what I know about the process helps but it still hurts a lot to hear and see what he is doing.
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He moved out May 21,2017
Ow 41( his 1st cousin) moved her in May 23, 2017, she went back to her husband Oct 2017
Ow moved back with her 2 kids Jan 1 2018 even with courts cutting his visitation with his kids because of it
Ow moved out again Dec 2019 and is back with her husband Jan 2020
T-19 yr M-14 yrs
S14 & D88
BD  February 12 2017 & April 22 2017 (signs of MLC since 2015)
I filed for divorce June 2 2017 for protection- final hearing on our 20th anniversary (July 11,2018) divorce was final August 9, 2018

http://mlcforum.theherosspouse.com/index.php?topic=8791.0
http://mlcforum.theherosspouse.com/index.php?topic=8948.0
http://mlcforum.theherosspouse.com/index.php?topic=9189.0
https://mlcforum.theherosspouse.com/index.php?topic=10052.150

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Yuk... I just suffer brain fart in this thread / topic. I must be simple somehow. Let me try this again. I think ( from what I experienced ) it was so far beyond selfish , it almost does not apply . It was not selfish acts from a man that NEVER once did 1 single selfish thing . NEVER ONCE. That was part of the implosion of "pleasing everyone all their life " and never doing anything for self . I would say, (here goes) my husband never developed a healthy sense of self, never had his own identity , never knew how he felt, his opinions, his needs , his sense of who he is as a person. He was hollow and did everything for everyone... made him a very agreeable ,easy husband . He was always "fine" and for the most part "copied" me or let me "lead the way" because 'barbiedoll must be right ". I said this to the therapist at the very 1st meeting ( when it was my turn to be there alone) . I said " he has no real identity ". She said with eyebrows raised .. " could that be reason for a crisis?" Yes. Indeed it was . Of course ( externally ) he was extremely extremely selfish ... especially since I never witnessed him doing 1 thing for himself in over 30 years . Shocking . But it was far far deeper .. he mentally, physcolgically , spiritually and emotionally disintegrated, emploded in his FOO issues that were never resolved or integrated . It was a deep subconscious action that he was out of control of . I saw him sucked away from who he had always been into a raging, self entitled narcissist .. he became his father . He was afraid . He was afraid of himself . He asked me more than once .. "am I depressed?, what is wrong with me ?, why can't I make a decision? , why can't I think?.  He paced the floors, he did not sleep, his eyes were someone elses, he could not remember anything , he was in a trance . He was firetrucking scary, attacking ,blaming stranger . I remember moving away from glass tables .. afraid he was going to smash it . I remember him grabbing me off my feet up against a post on the deck and spitting a rage " I was firetrucking done everything for YOU for 35 years , and these firetrucking kids ... Now it is MY TURN".  It was like an exorscism of an identity that was emerging from dark shadowy places that was far beyond his control. He was slammed with emotions that he could no longer dismiss or avoid. He was in deep deep emotional pain... they tell me that his affair was a physchological attempt to re-enact his mother abandoning him at 3 ... to go back and heal this wound(regression )  . Sooooo, it is very difficult for me to only address or see the behavior only . Selfish ? Running? Raging ? ... 100% true without question. BUT, there is a far deeper struggle happening that they handle with immaturity ( they are 12), blaming / projection ( no emotional tools , experience or IQ .. this is what has been avoided all their lives ) , running ( they have always outrun these feelings... now they cannot ) and rage ( buried from years of extreme abuse / hurt = anger /rage ).  We were told he should have been hospitalized , many men with this deep depression and confusion are . All of this .. and more are the reasons for this behavior and offers some deeper explantion for a man loosing himself and trying to find an identity that never developed in a healthy secure way in the 1st place. Does that excuse him? NO. It does not ... but we have to look deeper into the human spirit to survive our childhoods, to be wounded in the past and have those wounds float to the surface and look to be healed once and for all , that humans are designed to attach to others ... but until you are securely attached to a fragmented broken self , you cannot truly attach to another . It is a journey to inwardly fix the brokenness that is residing inside the child ... inside the man .  So, "justification" are shallow attempts to explain or cover up or shift blame or to hide from facing the transitions and battles going on far far deeper . Sigh.
I am not sure what exactly I am trying to say .. but in my experience , they  react to this unrest in ways that are utterly shocking to themselves once the pain stops.   I remember asking my 4 year old . "what the hec?? Did you pee your pants ?"  She said " Nooo, my sister did!!!, my sister peed in my pants mama!" .  In many ways , my husband was 4 year old in a man body .

https://thestagesandlessonsofmidlife.org/the-mid-life-crisis-abandonment-issues/

Wow Barbiedoll

I absolutely love your posting.  I can see many childlike traits in my MLCer.  My exh is definitely depressed, has emotional damage from his childhood, and is running.   It is very sad.
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I was told 'u deserve better' 'I feeling empty inside' 'I've put up with everything for '25' yrs' 'u only want me for my $$$' (he's broke by the way) 'I'm not coming back' 'move on with your life' blah blah blah
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