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#110: November 26, 2018, 12:38:13 PM
Ah, gotcha.  Thanks, Thunder.  :)

I guess the entire purpose of the discussion proposed in the first post has been completely lost. 

Finalized settlement agreement today.....so his D should be official in a matter of days.

I am proud of myself.  H was trying to avoid eye contact, but I marched straight up to him and said, "You'd really better hope that there is no afterlife." 

So.....what now?  I suppose I'm really addressing the covenant-keepers now.  Because even though I was not raised Catholic, my values regarding marriage mirror those of their faith.  One, and done. 

So, covenant-keepers: How do you answer the nay-sayers regarding continuance of your Stand?  Because I know there will be plenty of them..!

The question I guess was how to address naysayers, but then the entire thread has become about Mego's parting shot to her H. 

Since I'm not a covenant keeper by any stretch of the imagination, if this discussion is to get back on track, I definitely have nothing to add, but maybe others do.
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Re: What now?
#111: November 26, 2018, 12:44:20 PM
Well Nas, it happens.  It goes off in different directions and sometimes someone needs to get it back to the original topic.

Nice of you to do that for Mego.  :)
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Re: What now?
#112: November 26, 2018, 12:57:10 PM
You have continually insulted (sarcastically) and belittled HS members who are trying to help you.

Um....WTH are you talking about?  And WHO TH are you talking about?

If I've insulted anyone it's the hooker - yeah, I just called her that - but I hope she dies in a fire.  Good riddance.

I may be sarcastic - a lot - but, I am from New England and we all are that way.  It is our humor. 

However, I'm generally not a polarizing person.  I shy away from political debates.  I know my heart is in a good place.  I've even had a very sweet guy here tell me that I am "a good woman" and that he "should have married me" (thank you, cdl!)

So idk - perhaps this is all just "mob mentality."  Who knows?

 
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Re: What now?
#113: November 26, 2018, 01:00:10 PM
If I've insulted anyone it's the hooker - yeah, I just called her that - but I hope she dies in a fire.  Good riddance.

I'm not gonna lie...that made me laugh so much.   :o ;D
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Re: What now?
#114: November 26, 2018, 01:01:10 PM
I'm born and raised in New England.  So is Nah.  We've never responded to a comment we didn't like by saying "Shoo fly, shoo."
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Re: What now?
#115: November 26, 2018, 01:17:57 PM
We've never responded to a comment we didn't like by saying "Shoo fly, shoo."

Yeah, that *wasn't* sarcasm.

That was just getting irritated one too many times.....
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Re: What now?
#116: November 26, 2018, 01:31:17 PM

So idk - perhaps this is all just "mob mentality."  Who knows?

Birds of a feather flock together, lol.

However, this is not what I see here. You have had input from a variety of people of very different points of view.

Perhaps you just want the opinions from the so called covenant standers as you stated in your opening e-mail ???

Even those who are covenant standers (few and far between) have not been very supportive of your  'attitude' toward ow and your h. so I don't think you can put it down to mob or herd mentality. If it were mob mentality, you would see the different 'groups' agreeing among themselves and that is not what we see here.

TinT pointed out that you might be more comfortable posting on "Chump Lady", I agree with him, I am sure you would find many supporters there.

I have given you an answer a few posts above when I realized my error in not answering the main question in your opening post. I suggest that if you want a discussion on a subject, keep it simple and ask your question outright without posting your criticism of your h.'s or ow's behavior, keep that for your story thread or discussions on that subject.

I am just attempting to answer your question in the last post.

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Re: What now?
#117: November 26, 2018, 01:56:25 PM
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but I hope she dies in a fire.

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Re: What now?
#118: November 26, 2018, 02:36:30 PM
We've never responded to a comment we didn't like by saying "Shoo fly, shoo."

Yeah, that *wasn't* sarcasm.

That was just getting irritated one too many times.....

Whatever you want to call it, please don't equate it with being a New Englander.  I'm from New England.  My friends and family are from New England.  The only other New Englander I know who would behave like that is my MLC H, who is...well, he's an MLCer.

It's not a New England trait.  It's you.  And this response in itself is a very good illustration of you absolutely refusing to take responsibility for yourself or your actions.  Which is pretty much step 1 in the mirror work handbook. 

When someone irritates you, as an adult human being with empathy and years of experience behind you and just simple good old decent behavior, you are perfectly within your rights to speak your truth.  Say that you feel unheard.  Say that you feel misunderstood.  Say you are irritated and give your reasons why. 

You also might look at what they said and try to understand where they are coming from.  You might say you respect their right to have their opinion and then counter with your own opinion if it differs.  Have a dialog.  Or if you don't want to have a dialog, simply move on.

To say something like "shoo, fly, shoo" is just one example of you being rude and really childish.  And more than that, it's dismissive.  Which happens to be a behavior that is probably a huge trigger for a lot of LBSs on here, since MLCers are so dismissive and refuse to hear us, especially immediately after BD.  I can almost guarantee your MLCer was dismissive like that to you and I can almost guarantee it made you feel all kinds of things that were not good.

I even tried to direct this thread back to the question you claimed you wanted input on in your first post and you still managed to veer it back to justifying your behavior (and managing yet another "the OW is a hooker" in the process).

We get it.  You hate your H's OW.  I'm not so freaking fond of my H's OW either.  But there is SO MUCH truth in the statement that you give her more power if you dwell on her existence.  And right now, due in part to you, your H's OW is Cersei Lannister sitting on the Iron Throne.  She's feeding off your anger, whether you know it or not, whether you admit it or not.

Many people have chimed in and talked about how hard it is to remain silent in the face of such hurtful actions.  "Patience is a virtue" is a saying for a reason.  It's your choice if you want to keep shooting off barbed insults and moral platitudes to your H.  But again, at least take ownership of your choice and don't try to claim it's some kind of New England regional idiosyncrasy.  It's not. 

But your question was how do you respond to naysayers.  Well, I'd argue that in your case, those naysayers are probably really confused.  You're seething with anger and spewing nasty statements about people paying in the afterlife and wanting people to die in fires, and yet you're standing for your marriage.  I think any clear thinking person would see the rigid dichotomy between your searing hatred and your hope for a restored marriage and be utterly perplexed.

And as one last thought, you said:

Your stand can't even be based solely on the fact that you share a son. 

I beg to differ......

I Stand for our family unit that he is trying so desperately to demolish.  And bringing home some lowlife slime ball is only aiding and abetting in doing just that.

See, neither he, nor she, gets a free pass from me, Standing-Not Standing-whatever. 

But hey, I didn't call her a prostitute, either!

a) I stood for quite some time and many others are standing who don't have any children.  I completely respect wanting children to have a solid family unit.  I completely respect wanting the LBchildren to learn lessons in patience and compassion and the unconditionals. 
So I'll say again, your son is watching.  And hearing.  Your anger, your sarcasm, your insults...they are all born of hurt, and we ALL get that.  But if you don't get a handle on it, it's only going to hurt you more.  Your MLCer and the OW right now don't care and it's not hurting them.  It's hurting you.
b) actually, you called her a prostitute on Ready's thread.  And heck, I don't really care, you can call her whatever you darn well please.  But she didn't act alone, she didn't hold a gun to his head, and the advice to read the article on misdirected anger at the OW is good and you'd benefit from taking it. 

The anger is warranted.  It's a stage that we all have to go through, but if you get stuck there, no one benefits, least of all you.

So in summary, here's my response to the actual question you posed in this discussion thread - and it's pretty circular: You don't have to tell anyone you're standing.  It's your choice.  But if you do and you come across naysayers, they are likely to be confused as to why you are saying you're standing for something that clearly has you so enraged and disgusted. 
Which brings us right back to getting a handle on the anger.
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Re: What now?
#119: November 26, 2018, 03:27:45 PM
Thank you Terrified,

I agree Mego may want to check out Chump Ladies site.
You really may like Chump Ladies site, Mego.

RCR had real issues with her site, but everyone is different.
https://www.chumplady.com/

I have found some of her articles interesting, but I also found her personally quite a bitter, man hater myself.  But that's just me.  I never hated my H.

Just a preference, I suppose.

I would NEVER deliberately recommend her site to anyone who truly wants to reconcile with their spouse, but there are a few who maybe would benefit from her advise to toss their spouse aside and need the support from her site.

I say to each his own.
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