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#40: September 25, 2014, 07:09:37 AM
Be honest now!  If you can't get past the first 3 stages, you are STUCK!  Stuck is bad... really, really bad!  Stuck means, NO FUTURE...no!  no!  no!  That must not happen. 

Let's get this baby rolling, this is probably the most important discussion, you will ever have.

Good one OP... thanks for BUMPING THIS ONE UP..

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Re: LBS Script
#41: September 25, 2014, 07:56:12 AM
From my experience and perspective:

1st Stage - Anyone catch the number of that freight train that hit me?

2nd Stage - It's all my fault, what's wrong with me, I'm not good enough. I'm too fat, too frumpy, too Mumsy, too ( fill in the blank).

3rd  Stage - Get a grip, some of what he said has truth, other stuff is pure unadulterated BS.  He doesn't want the marriage.  WTH does that mean? He's an asshat, coward, ( fill in the blank). No, I DON'T WANT TO BE YOUR FRIEND!

4th Stage - OK, pull up the big girl panties and get on with it.  Make the best life you can for yourself and the kids.  Remember, be kind to YOU! You will make choices only for you and your kids.

5th Stage -WTH did I need him for anyway?  I'm doing just fine, sometimes lonely, often sad, and solo sex isn't exactly earth shaking, but it'll do...for now.  Gee whiz, it's actually kind of nice to have a big bed to myself,  be accountable to only me, to make decisions in my own best interest.

6th Stage -Wow, other people are noticing I have special qualities to offer.  I'm a good person, I like myself! I'm having fun and enjoying my life most of the time.

7th Stage - Bye bye, husband.  Hope you make a great life for yourself,  hope you sort it out before you die.
 I forgive you for all your past transgressions.  I won't forget, but I choose to forgive. The person you are you carry with you. In a way I pity you husband.   I can't change you.  I can't make you feel.  I can't make your choices for you. 
Good luck, kisses, my best wishes and general loving feeling go with you. See ya around!

After picking myself up after the  divorce,  dusting myself down, getting my own house, plenty of GAL and meeting new people I guess I'm moving from a 5 into 6, and I keep screaming the last bit of number 3 to myself. I'll let her know that if I ever get round to speaking to her again.

All this is really good when I consider this time last year I was laying down waiting for the next freight train to finish me off. (I was seriously suicidal).

Anyway time has been I good healer, I'm feeling  much better and looking forward to the future maybe even skipping number 7 and taking on what lies beyond.

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Re: LBS Script
#42: September 25, 2014, 08:13:03 AM
Time is a good healer.  I think I'm at acceptance.  I really am o.k. either way it goes now.  I do feel I have forgiven also.  I really have no feelings of bitterness or anger towards my h anymore.  I really do see him differently.  I don't see him as my h anymore.  I only call him that on here so you know who I'm talking about.  If someone asks if I'm married, I say no. 

I'm still working on self growth and I think I'm gaining ground on renewal and living again.  Emotions are getting easier to control and not thinking about h for the most part is now much easier.  I have my setbacks and accept them now and then move forward again.  I was in the depression stage for quite a bit and still slip back there every now and again.

I think in a way we are like our mlc'r going through the stages.  I don't think we always go in order and sometimes we are in more than one while we move through and go back and forth. 

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Re: LBS Script
#43: September 25, 2014, 08:28:48 AM
ember,

I just found this threat.  Interesting discussion for sure.

I felt pretty much like you after my first H left me for ow.  I hung on through a few ow's but finally was ready to get on with my life.  I was 35, married for 18 years, was in the best shape of my life and needed to move on.  I was too young to be alone.  H went though a couple of failed marriage so I feel my decision was right for me.

I started dating a man, but after 2 years I knew it was just a rebound relationship and broke it off.  About 6 months later met and fell in love with my second H.  Unfortunately, he hit a MLC wall and we divorced after 21 years of marriage (28 years together).

I'm not exactly sure if I'm standing or not.  He has not been with anyone else and neither have I.  He has never been Monster.  Not much replay antics. Never really said anything too hurtful, just that he wanted his freedom because he was unhappy.   ::)

I love him and we spend a lot of time together but I know I will never remarry him...so is that "not" standing??  I want a relationship with him...just not as a husband.  So maybe I'm standing for a relationship but not our marriage.  Scratching my head.

Anyway I just wanted to say I understand your feelings and your decision.  It sounds like the right move for you.  I hope all is good now and you have moved on to a better place.
Love to hear an update.

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Re: LBS Script
#44: September 25, 2014, 10:40:24 AM

Great thread to bump up . Important reading for all of us
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Re: LBS Stages
#45: September 25, 2014, 11:36:36 AM
Quote from: Lost For Words from DB
My thoughts on the LBS stages;

Denial- Without a doubt the first phase. It could be as simple as denying that there is something wrong or amiss. Eventually turning to denial that it is actually happening to us, denying our part in everything, and the worse part.....denying our inner self's to come out. Maybe because we don't know how.....but at the point everything is caused by some outside catalyst. Sounds very MLC like to me?

Bargaining-I put this here instead of after anger because I feel the deep seated thought out anger is yet to come. We have felt the quick anger brought on by emotional pain and trauma, but not that thought out and reviewed anger that is to come. So we beg, plead, whatever it takes (during this stage I actually saw the positive side of an open marriage...granted my situation is only slightly different...LOL). We will do whatever it takes to save the marriage, yet haven't realized that the marriage is gone. dead! Fini!

Anger-This stage is third...why you ask? At this point our bargaining, selling of our soul, absolutely nothing has had the expected results. So we feel deep down anger and conviction that we are right...they are wrong....and We will win no matter who loses! This very well might be the hardest stage for anybody going through this. I have been scanning lightly in newcomers and see so many of that boards "mentors" stuck themselves in this stage. Trying to control what is uncontrollable out of anger and not based on sound decision.

Depression-At this point the energy involved with our anger is used up. We are burnt out......and now we are ALONE. Yes...we have been alone in the physical sense for some time, but the bucket is finally empty.

Resentment-Slightly different than anger.....more identified with long periods of being OK....then boom.....anger comes bursting back in very brief, but extremely intense blasts. I think it is almost a triggered response...a missed ball game, long weekend with a sick child, or coming up short on a mortgage payment. A catalyst disturbs the beast sleeping within.

Acceptance-I place this before forgiveness because I feel you have to accept the marriage is done before you can forgive the damage it's death has caused. At this point you know that you are alone. The resentment is gone because you accept that triggers from resentment are just yours alone to deal with. This is also a great time for personal growth. Confidence that you will survive on your own, that you can do thing yourself, and that the sun will still rise tomorrow.

Self-growth-Regaining on confidence continued. New perspective of the things around you. Constant questioning...of yourself and the principles we follow. At this point anything is possible....for ourselves.

Forgiveness-At this point you can forgive yourself for your part in the demise of the marriage. You can also see the pain the process has caused our spouse. The knowledge that neither party has really come out of this unscathed is apparent. You will know at this point that the journey was beneficial for both parties as long as neither got tripped up in their respective journeys. Maybe the marriage is renewed...maybe not.

Renewal-The world is different (I know that I see it differently). We are almost reborn to a life that that has unlimited potential. Things that were once taken for granted are cherished...and things thought essential are no longer that important. We are finally able to cash in on the independent self that we have found within ourselves.

Living again-At this point we move on, piece, whatever hand we have been dealt. Everything behind will be seen with compassion for the pain it caused and the enlightenment about ourselves that we achieved.


Reposted and bumped up for more of a discussion.

Who is stuck in the first three stages?

I'm moving this to the top of each page, because these are some stages that the LBS goes through.  Are there more?  Perhaps.  Are there less?  That's possible as well.  The point is my dear LBS friends, NOBODY has ever really documented the stages that the LBS goes through.  NOBODY has ever really bothered to do so EXCEPT for Heartsblessing and a group of folks from Divorce Buster.  When I read Lost for Words interpretation of the STAGES that the average LBS goes through, I thought he was describing me.

I know I struggled with the first 3 stages... moving back and forth amongst the 3 for the first 6 to 8 months.  Quite honestly, I think I was STUCK in DENIAL for a couple of years or more, before the bomb dropped.  After that, I fluctuated wildly between the first 3.

When we reconnected and eventually reconnected, my greatest struggle was with RESENTMENT.  Certainly I went through a terrible rage, quite similar in fact to what Barbiedoll is now experiencing.  The first 6 months were the worst... extreme ANGER...then the anxiety attacks began.  My friends from Surviving Infidelity explained to me what those things were, because I was certain my heart was going to EXPLODE. 

I can only describe those months of anxiety attacks, were to me, my personal battle with the devil!  No more needs to be said about that.  The edge had never been closer! The darkness beckoned!  Terrifying! 

Resentment has been the ongoing battle.  Even now.  My reasons for resentment are triggered by so many things.  A wide, wide variety of perceived injustices, unnecessary suffering, lost time, wasted money, daughter's miscarriage, heck I can even at times, blame our oldest sons imminent divorce on this period of time. 

The duration has shortened, the frequency of the emotional outburst occur less and less often.  Time does heal all things, for sure.  I only mention this because as an LBS, you need to know.  It seems that even the LBS whose marriages have not been reconciled (at least so far), they also experience resentment.  No matter who you are, whether your marriage is salvaged or not, it seems there is an mild residue of resentment left behind. 

I know I wanted to just get my man back, repair and rebuild our marriage.  We have done so.  I think we have done a really good job of it, but there is still some "resentment" and it's ugly head is quite easily triggered.  Not nearly as long and definitely much less often, but it still occurs, 8 years later.  We are human.

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Re: LBS Script
#46: September 25, 2014, 12:12:53 PM
LBS is pushed in MLT because of spouse crisis. Path of LBS is same as any other person who going trough MLT and all of that we have already in for my taste better form. Difference between transition and crisis is that crisis have Escape & Avoid and transition haven't.
Of course LBS can stuck in MLT, of course LBS can hit own MLC too. So, I prefer Kübler-Ross model:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K%C3%BCbler-Ross_model
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Re: LBS Script
#47: September 25, 2014, 01:42:31 PM
You're so right Albatross. I was thinking just today that I'm having my own replay.

When he left I cut my hair and started buying vintage dresses. Started smoking and drinking when feeling down. I crave male attention to make me feel attractive and young.

The only difference is that I know why I'm trying to cheer myself up and would never dream of abandoning my children in pursuit of goodness knows what!
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#48: September 25, 2014, 01:53:47 PM
You're so right Albatross. I was thinking just today that I'm having my own replay.

When he left I cut my hair and started buying vintage dresses. Started smoking and drinking when feeling down. I crave male attention to make me feel attractive and young.

The only difference is that I know why I'm trying to cheer myself up and would never dream of abandoning my children in pursuit of goodness knows what!

They also want cheer self, refusing to make necessary changes. That is all about escape and avoid. So call GAL-ing just to distract self from pain, instead embracing pain, which will lead us in depression and then we have to change or remain in depression forever.

So, GAL-ing could be possible only after One finish own transformation, otherwise is distraction and artificial. So, replay for MLCers is artificial GAL-ing.
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Re: LBS Script
#49: September 25, 2014, 07:38:32 PM
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Thank you for saying that.  After a few years I think resentment was so high on my list but I never really acknowledged it.

I so resented him for breaking up our marriage like he did.  No second chances.  No trying to work on it.  The worst was having no vote.   I was totally at his mercy.  He wanted a D and there was, literally, NOTHING I could do about it.  The courts made it possible for him to just dismiss me like I wasn't important.  They gave me no voice.

I don't feel angry anymore over what he did, I THINK I have forgiven him, but I know he will never have me as his wife again.
He threw that priviledge away.

We can have a relationship, and I do want that, but it will be as 2 single people who just choose to be together.
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