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#110: September 19, 2010, 07:44:51 PM
Will the OW feel like she's won once he's divorced you? Or will she still feel some insecurity? Considering how the relationship started. Seems like once she's lured him away and he has gone thru with divorce, she should feel that she "won".
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Re: Questions about the affair/OM/OW
#111: September 19, 2010, 07:53:48 PM
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Will the OW feel like she's won once he's divorced you? Or will she still feel some insecurity? Considering how the relationship started. Seems like once she's lured him away and he has gone thru with divorce, she should feel that she "won".
Where is the victory is winning someone who is a proven cheater. She knows his history of infidelity because she assisted him in it. Divorcing you does not end his relationship with you if there are children involved. She will hate this. Divorcing you does not eliminate the possibility of a reconciliation in the futur. And divorcing you does not guarantee he will stay with her.

It may seem logical to feel as though she has won. But are probably not a Borderline or Histrionic personality. If the alienator is not, she is still likely in personality disorder mode. In the situation she has created for herself she has brought out personality disorder attributes--we've all got'em. The alienator has ever reason to be insecure in her relationship. It's not about winning, but about fidelity which her prize is known to lack.
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Re: Questions about the affair/OM/OW
#112: September 19, 2010, 08:02:16 PM
She has narcissistic qualities from the info I've gotten. And very controlling. Your comments do help put it in perspective. She is currently in process of her second divorce( in process before she even met my h) . So clearly she has issues.
Thanks for your thoughts. It helps.
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Re: Questions about the affair/OM/OW
#113: September 19, 2010, 08:51:52 PM
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One time I made the mistake of reading posts on an OW forum and it made me want to throw up! The crying and whining about their true love being a liar and constantly going back to his wife and how torturous it was but they couldn't let him go because they just loved him SO much and how no matter what, some day he would know what a martyr they were and how he was only going back to his wife out of guilt and he deserved SO much more. GET THE SMELLING SALTS!! There needs to be a deprogramming camp for these women and, dare I say it, a scarlet A on their foreheads for a period of time to warn the rest of us to lock up our husbands!! And for the husbands, a chastity belt and NO Viagra prescription for 5 years as penance!!

LOL, LG....if you think about it, the OWs who lose their married men go through the SAME torment as the LBS when the MLC'er gives them the speech.

It's strange, but true.

I did a great deal of research long ago, and was shocked to see this similarity in the situations, of course it was DIFFERENT, but the reactions(as compared between the OW and LBS) were the SAME.

The only difference was the OW wasn't married to the man she was seeing, and the LBS was the WIFE of the MLC'er, who was going to the OW(IF they had one).
But each person was LEFT BEHIND when the relationship broke in pieces...triggering the crying, clinging, demanding, and pursuing behaviors for a time before either accepted what was happening.

I remember thinking this was really weird at the time.


The difference was, the OW has NO history with the married man, and the LBS has that history that may work to their advantage at a later time.

The advice given in each circumstance was the SAME, learn to detach, distance, and in time, the OW got over it, where the LBS had something different to contend with, the possible return of the WAS/MLC spouse.

The OW lost all the way around, and in time, they got back into the game with yet another married man...and the cycle started all over again, at least until it all broke down once again.

You've some that are "career OWs" who only see married men, don't make commitments, and take the married man for all the money they can get, only wanting to be "kept" by the married man.
No strings attached, only USING them for money and maintenance.
This is selfishness at its worst, as they could care less about the wives and families that are being hurt, and damaged through what they are doing.

I'd hate to be that pair of shoes, as I don't understand the thinking there..and am unable to even step down into those shoes.  :)


On the other hand, it takes TWO to tango, and the husbands that do it are just as guilty as the OWs of carrying on with each other, and people do have and exercise choices....they make the WRONG ones, getting entangled in something they should have NEVER gotten into in the first place.

I had to begin to teach my husband about predators such as these long after he got disentangled from the OW he'd gotten involved with.

He, like me, was raised to believe pre-crisis, that nice women didn't dally with married men, nor did nice men dally with married women...both of us, through the experience he had, learned a HARD lesson from it......I know he's never gotten entangled like that again....and I became more discerning when it came to people like that.

In time, I was able to see more clearly, and in turn, I taught him to steer clear, and the signs to look for.

Predators look like any other person at first, but if you allow them to, they will drag you into the deepest pits of depravity, and if you allow yourself to cross certain lines, you'll get into a snare of deception and trickery that is hard to get out.

I've had friendships with males that I had to call a halt to, because they tried to cross certain lines with me, and I drew back when I saw where they were heading.

So OWs aren't the ONLY people to watch out for, some of the men are something else, too. :)










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Re: Questions about the affair/OM/OW
#114: September 20, 2010, 05:52:31 PM
I know that I have read and re-read that article but will do so again!  I don't know why I lose perspective concerning OW relationship.  They make it look so normal; like those that object are the crazy ones. 

My thinking about OW having a personality disorder is based mainly on the fact that she has a history of not only cheating but of getting pregnant.  I know I've mentioned it before, but 2 abortions and 2 pregnanices, the 3rd ending up in adoption, the 4th is H's.  Seems WACKO to me that she would cheat AND get pregnant.  Seems to me cheaters usually try to do the opposite. 

Regardless, she is cuckoo and you all are right, will never feel secure since she is with a cheater.  I just want their happiness to be O-V-E-R and I want her to go psycho on him like she does her H!!! 
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Re: Questions about the affair/OM/OW
#115: September 20, 2010, 06:18:14 PM
So thats my question. There is a big withdrawal when our Hs or Ws leave OP....but they don't seem to have any withdrawal from us? Is their withdrawal depression hidden in their replay antics, I believe it is? Maybe I miss this in my readings.....
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Re: Questions about the affair/OM/OW
#116: September 20, 2010, 06:28:33 PM
Thanks for asking this question as I have had it myself... My husband misses me, but doesn't seem to "suffer" withdrawal to the point of NOT BEING ABLE TO LEAVE ME!! As for OW, he CANNOT LEAVE HER!! Even when he doesn't LIKE her, he is unwilling and unable to leave her. RCR says there is emotional blackmail going on and I believe it is true. My husband's OW is like Kryptonite for him, and not in a sex way - just in a fantasy way I guess. The pain of leaving her after 8 whole months is GREATER than the pain of leaving me, his two children, dog and home, not to mention the family and friends he has cut ties with after 16 years or longer. Wow. She must really be something. NOT! He totally gives his power over to her... she doesn't want him to see his kids, so he doesn't. He b!tc#es about it, but won't put her in her place.

There are some famous relationships where the homewrecker affair partner marries the husband and becomes the evil stepmother, for real. They have a baby with the husband and get him to cut all ties with his first family. Happens all the time. Look at Michael Douglas and how he is confessing he was a bad father to his first family kids, but, yay for him! He gets to do it "right" this time with his NEW family with the younger wife. YAY!! We're so happy that YOU get a second chance to be a good Dad! Too bad your other kids have problems and are in jail because of their TRAUMA caused by YOU!! I might be a little bit angry tonight...LOL! >:(
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Re: Questions about the affair/OM/OW
#117: September 20, 2010, 06:41:24 PM
I think their withdrawal from their spouse, kids, home, etc. is deeply hidden and denied by the MLCer.  I don't believe they are at a place emotionally where they can admit that to themselves.  They are supposed to be happy now, right?  That's what we all hear from them.  If they admit they feel withdrawal, they have to start thinking about their own true happiness and start to admit to themselves that it really isn't about their spouse, but something inside of them.  I do wonder sometimes if the purpose of touch and goes by the MLCer is just a tad bit of their withdrawal coming to the surface and causes them to act with a touch and go.  I don't think they really will experience withdrawal symptoms until later in their crisis-perhaps during overt depression?  Just my interpretation.  Take it for what it's worth. 
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Re: Questions about the affair/OM/OW
#118: September 20, 2010, 06:46:19 PM
I think it might have to do with the fact that they can still see us. If and when they let the ow go they supposedly don't see them anymore there is no more connection no children none of that.

My H made the comment to me "I don't understand what's so bad-we'll see each other all the time". I managed to make it into the house before I burst into tears.
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Re: Questions about the affair/OM/OW
#119: September 20, 2010, 06:57:33 PM
I also think there is another component here which is very significant...IF you look in my coaching archive you might find RCR's comment....but basically....when they think of coming back to US....the LBS...even if they miss us....there is NOW a whole host of complicated emotions surrounding our relationship...
Imagine the guilt
the pain
the sadness
and, let's be honest, most of our MLCers aren't the most EMOTIONALLY intelligent people.....So just imagine how hard it is for them to deal with all these incredibly complicated emotions when they could never really deal with just normal everyday emotions ....they are broken somehow...they missed some stage of emotional development.....and just like any sort of development....you must pass through all the stages to learn...

I have a background in literacy.....and if a child misses one of the key developmental stages they can be stuck....really....in order to move forward they would have to revisit that stage and work through the neccessary skills to move forward...Yes they may make it to adulthood and be able to FAKE being good readers but the bottom line is that they will be at a disadvantage until they learn those skills..I hope I'm not off on a tangent here but it just helps me think about emotional development...as I'm an educator and I'm very curious about human development....

Now the OW "feels good" like the way it "feels good" to know you are going on a nice vacation....or buying a new lipstick....or knowing your going to have chocolate cake after dinner....In fact I believe it's probably the anticipation of the fantasy with her that is more exciting than the reality....so if an MLCer is having all these complicated emotions about LBS and even missing them it MAY push they MLCer even further into the affair cuz .....listen closely here.....SHE GIVES HIM A SHORT TERM EMOTIONAL ADVANTAGE....She's an object....really....and that's a hard thing to look at as an LBS because it is the reality of a VERY WEAK man, as HB says.   I see in my H something I've always seen in him...He'll get excited about an anticipatory event...Christmas...football season...going to dinner and he'll be all "juiced up"   but then the event comes and goes and I see him hit a low...She is no different....She is a symptom.....A SUCKY STUPID SELFISH ANNOYING NUISANCE Of a symptom but a symptom nonetheless....like a headache...or a big fat TUMOR.....

This is his MAJOR issues and coping skills coming to roost and he will have to deal with them now....there is no where to run....with a standing spouse...the only other option is DENIAL....so he runs to OW because he's in a panic....really....a panic to feel good.....but life isn't about a consistent sense of feeling good....it's about feeling something the MLCer never quite learned to deal with.
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