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#60: May 31, 2012, 05:00:56 AM
kikki...mine too! This entire thing is so crazy isn't it! I have taken Mamma Bear's advice and now I try to sit back and watch the show....while trying hard to keep that duck tape on my mouth....but man oh man how I wish I could say what is on my mind...and the worst part....we never got a chance to "save" our marriage....no way about it....just a one way street in this separation....arg
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Re: Difference Between MLC and Depression?
#61: June 01, 2012, 05:34:40 AM
Kikki - thanks for that article. Fantastic read. My H went through most of those elements. H will readily admit he saw us as one person. Sometimes he still does. OW was suppose to be me. He pretty much said so. Now long gone, when he sees her from a distance, she is a completely different person -- To him (she was who she was all along). H heard and saw what he thought he heard and saw. OW believed (still does) I was the recreated version of what H described me to be. He has a dependent personality, can't handle stress etc....the list goes on. He is addressing these issues now. I see great progress, even though he is being challenged with life stresses.

MOC: Sorry if it looked like I made a generality about women and depression. It's only a comment in general terms; there are plenty of women out there that do not fall into that category. I'm sorry you are going through this; it is very real, and very painful. I send you my support.

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Re: Difference Between MLC and Depression?
#62: June 01, 2012, 07:00:00 PM
This article http://www.drjoecarver.com/clients/49355/File/Chemical%20Imbalance.html is more oriented towards the chemical imbalance in mental health problems, like the levels of the neurotransmitters, shortage of serotonin, etc. and how that leads to depression. Some of the effects are very similar with MLC ones. Midlife crisis is even mentioned. This part is very eye opening:

Very low levels of Serotonin typically bring people to the attention of their family physician, their employer, or other sources of help. Severe Serotonin loss produces symptoms that are difficult to ignore. Not only are severe symptoms present, but also the brain’s ideation/thinking becomes very uncomfortable and even torturing. When Serotonin is severely low, you will experience some if not all of the following:

• Thinking speed will increase. You will have difficulty controlling your own thoughts. The brain will focus on torturing memories and you’ll find it difficult to stop thinking about these uncomfortable memories or images.

• You’ll become emotionally numb! You wouldn’t know how you feel about your life, marriage, job, family, future, significant other, etc. It’s as though all feelings have been turned off. Asked by others how you feel – your response might be “I don’t know!”

• Outbursts will begin, typically two types. Crying outbursts will surface, suddenly crying without much warning. Behavioral outbursts will also surface. If you break the lead in a pencil, you throw the pencil across the room. Temper tantrums may surface. You may storm out of offices or public places.

• Escape fantasies will begin. The most common – Hit the Road! The brain will suggest packing up your personal effects and leaving the family and community.

• Memory torture will begin. Your brain, thinking at 100 miles an hour, will search your memories for your most traumatic or unpleasant experiences. You will suddenly become preoccupied with horrible experiences that may have happened ten, twenty, or even thirty years ago. You will relive the death of loved ones, divorce, childhood abuse – whatever the brain can find to torture you with – you’ll feel like it happened yesterday.

• You’ll have Evil Thoughts. New mothers may have thoughts about smothering their infants. Thoughts of harming or killing others may appear. You may be tortured by images/pictures in your memory. It’s as though the brain finds your most uncomfortable weak spot, then terrorizes you with it.

• With Serotonin a major bodily regulator, when Serotonin is this low your body becomes unregulated. You’ll experience changes in body temperature, aches/pains, muscle cramps, bowel/bladder problems, smothering sensations, etc. The “Evil Thoughts” then tell you those symptoms are due to a terminal disease. Depressed folks never have gas – it’s colon cancer. A bruise is leukemia.

• You’ll develop a Need-for-Change Panic. You’ll begin thinking a change in lifestyle (Midlife Crisis!), a divorce, an extramarital affair, a new job, or a Corvette will change your mood. About 70 percent of jobs are lost at this time as depressed individuals gradually fade away from their life. Most extramarital affairs occur at this time.

• As low Serotonin levels are related to obsessive-compulsive disorders, you may find yourself starting to count things, become preoccupied with germs/disease, excessively worry that appliances are turned off or doors locked, worry that televisions must be turned off on an even-numbered channel, etc. You may develop rituals involving safety and counting. One auto assembly plant worker began believing his work would curse automobiles if their serial number, when each number was added, didn’t equal an even number.

• Whatever normal personality traits, quirks, or attitudes you have, they will suddenly be increased three-fold. A perfectionist will suddenly become anxiously overwhelmed by the messiness of their environment or distraught over leaves that fall each minute to land on the lawn. Penny-pinchers will suddenly become preoccupied with the electric and water consumption in the home.

• A “trigger” event may produce bizarre behavior. Already moderately low in Serotonin, an animal bite or scratch may make you suddenly preoccupied with rabies. A media story about the harmful effects of radiation may make you remember a teenage tour of the local nuclear power plant – suddenly feeling all your symptoms are now the result of exposure to radiation.

• When you reach the bottom of “severely low” Serotonin, the “garbage truck” will arrive. Everyone with severely low Serotonin is told the same thing. You will be told 1) You’re a bad spouse, parent, child, employee, etc., 2) You are a burden to those who love or depend on you, 3) You are worsening the lives of those around you, 4) Those who care about you would be better if you weren’t there, 5) You would be better if you weren’t around, and 6) You and those around you would be better off if you were totally out of the picture. At that point, you develop suicidal thoughts.

I think it is safe to say that pre-MLC starts with chemical imbalance in the brain. And it carries on with chemical imbalance. In MLC all the chemicals are too messed up and they went under a personality change. When they get into replay, to whatever chemical shortages they may have, huge and damaging amounts of adrenaline are added to the mix. MLCers are walking imbalanced brain chemical bombs.




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Re: Difference Between MLC and Depression?
#63: June 01, 2012, 07:24:29 PM
Wow AnneJ - I think you just described my day, lol.  I do have to say this day has been the worst one I have experienced in a while but man was it a toughy and I think I went through almost the complete list, there were a few that I missed thankfully but that pretty much summed up my swings all day long.  I haven't worked out this week due to being sick and have been housebound due to being sick so tomorrow I am planning on going to see my GF and spend a night away from the house.

I still want to move as I need to be near a bigger city not stuck in some out of the way rural  peyton place....lol.  I think I will have to own that one and hope that I can get there.  I won't move up north so I am trying for LV and it is a tough market.

I should say mine started with Depression, it escalated as his family keep pounding in his head about our marriage (they are all unhappy, having affairs and drinking heavily themselves so misery loves company), then when he turned 35 he wanted a bullet bike, he wanted a new truck and he wanted more partying with me, my only issue with any of those things were that I didn't want to party with the same old people all the time and didn't want to get into major debt until existing debt was taken care of and we built up a larger savings - translation I spend all his money (never mind it was on bills and never mind that he failed to keep within his spending budget due to alcohol spending but oh well).  Classic signs of MLC with wanting new things, then March came, surgery for me, injury, major infection all in the month I worked less because of it so income dropped money was tight and it was the trigger, bam he started the affair mid April because I was old and no fun....lol.  don't you just love how they project.  The only mean things he has really said was that he can't get me to be young (meaning getting tanked with the same people not wanting to have better adventures just his way or no way).  He tells people how mean I am and I was mean because of the affair and unhappily I have to live with my actions but other than that he didn't ever berate me, he wasn't negative about weight or other things he just took up with SP ($l()tty pants) and took off.  Talked to me two weeks ago and then nothing since of course it was my bday and our anniversary these last two weekends so it was to be expected.

Thanks for all the great information.
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Re: Difference Between MLC and Depression?
#64: June 01, 2012, 10:47:18 PM
Thanks so much for sharing that AnneJ.  Very very interesting, and I agree with your thoughts

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I think it is safe to say that pre-MLC starts with chemical imbalance in the brain. And it carries on with chemical imbalance. In MLC all the chemicals are too messed up and they went under a personality change. When they get into replay, to whatever chemical shortages they may have, huge and damaging amounts of adrenaline are added to the mix. MLCers are walking imbalanced brain chemical bombs.
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Re: Difference Between MLC and Depression?
#65: June 02, 2012, 12:08:02 AM
AnneJ

Thanks for sharing that ......interesting stuff
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Re: Difference Between MLC and Depression?
#66: June 02, 2012, 04:36:23 AM
Very interesting, just what my h. experienced before BD and is possibly continuing to experience in replay :o
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Re: Difference Between MLC and Depression?
#67: June 02, 2012, 09:17:41 AM
WOW.  I just want to verify that indeed, not only the bold items but the torturing thoughts and the speed of my thoughts were a major part of the worst phases of my own breakdown.  I take a LOT of supplements now (about 30 per day) and I think think that does a huge amount toward regulating my serotonin. 
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Re: Difference Between MLC and Depression?
#68: June 02, 2012, 09:49:24 AM

AnneJ;

VERY informative post. I know I battle with low serotonin and ExH must be also.  But it's three more months until a Dr appt so I'm going to load up a list of what he needs to look at.

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Re: Difference Between MLC and Depression?
#69: June 02, 2012, 11:38:33 AM
My ex suffered three bouts of depression in the six years before BD.  They were brought on by physical illness and each time he recognised the problem and was on anti-depressants.  He was still on ADs at BD (although I found out later that he stopped them when he moved in with OW).

He started them again just before he came back to me for a week six months after BD.  I've no idea if he is still on them but certainly when he was depressed before he was extremely clingy and didn't really want me to leave him at all.  Now he has no problem as he has OW to be with.  Interestingly he is very keen that his D21 goes back on ADs to help with her anorexia.  ???

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