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MLC Monster Re: How to out a narcissist
#110: August 07, 2014, 03:51:31 PM
Interesting FTT

I've been doing a lot of reading about this and I know from my experience I've been able to see someones true colors quickly when first introduced to them by saying before I leave "So nice to meet you..." And get their name wrong and you can see them try to keep a lid on it.

As far as narcissists I found they cannot stand to be wrong..have thier opinion questioned or challenged and will not tolerate any input that doesn't agree with their own. You need say very little to inflict narcissistic injury. They can fly into a rage with very little provocation. Any phrase can be interpreted as an insult with people with low self worth or self esteem.

They cannot tolerate criticism or anything they perceive as being a judgement as to how they did something.

They tend to be emotional vampires not really knowing "how" to feel they take their cues from others who are closest to them.

That's why it is important to stay away from the MLCER they will put you on an emotional roller coaster and suck you dry then spit you out when they are done. It gives them the feeling of power to do this.

They get their kicks from hurting other people. CONTROL is what they are after.

My advice? Cut the supply off ( which is us) and then do what you can to heal from this. No contact is the only way to heal and get stronger.

It's difficult to get respect from them as they have no empathy. They may only change their behavior if it can be figured out what they fear and use that.

Chances are if you have been pretty much the only one who's been there for them?..take control and go nc. BOUNDARIES are really important.
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Re: How to out a narcissist
#111: August 07, 2014, 04:06:19 PM
I've read stories about how a woman was married to a guy and they lost their daughter..she was devastated. Him?

He commented how useless she was since her daughter died.

The focus of her emotion was no longer him so he considered her useless...

These people do exist and we need to protect ourselves from them.
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Don't ask why someone is still hurting you; ask why you keep letting them.What you allow continues.

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Re: How to out a narcissist
#112: August 07, 2014, 04:13:54 PM
And now for something to lighten up the last post....

# What do you call a narcissist who can graciously accept criticism or blame?


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Re: Narcissism, Articles, Way to Deal With
#113: November 10, 2014, 06:21:29 PM
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Re: Narcissism, Articles, Way to Deal With
#114: November 10, 2014, 07:43:47 PM
This is a good site too

http://www.melanietoniaevans.com
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Re: Narcissism, Articles, Way to Deal With
#115: November 10, 2014, 09:27:41 PM
I used to get her newsletters very enlighting..
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Re: Narcissism, Articles, Way to Deal With
#116: November 13, 2014, 07:20:34 AM
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Re: Narcissism, Articles, Way to Deal With
#117: November 13, 2014, 08:35:30 AM
This is very interesting. I've often wondered how my W can stay with the OM because he seems like a narcissist to me. I see even more evidence of this after reading through this thread. I was especially interested in the link between narcissism and the autistic spectrum because OM has a son who I have been told is autistic. And while teens can sometimes be cold and cruel, his D doesn't seem to have a clue why my granddaughter gets upset when she tells her about the things she did with GD's grandma. Seems like a total lack of empathy.
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Narcissistic Behavior and how to deal with it.
#118: December 10, 2015, 05:02:35 PM
I understand most here (before all of this happened) feel they had either the perfect loving spouse or at least thought they were happily married. Although untrue in my case FOO issues played a big part as to why I stayed.

These people have now become someone you never knew they could. I'm starting this thread to raise awareness about narcissism which seems to be the behavior they exhibit.

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Narcissist's biggest fear.

What is it that makes a Narcissist feel truly uncomfortable - what is their biggest fear?

If we were to guess, what would be the first few answers that were likely to appear in our mind? Let's see: first, Narcissist craves attention therefore he must fear being left alone and ignored. Alright, this seems fitting.

Also, a Narcissist has an inflated sense of self-worth, which means he hates being treated as a common, unremarkable person as much as he loathes being put down and humiliated. This observation seems fair as well. A Narcissist, in fact, can have very many fears - big and small, all branching out of their distorted view on themselves and reality around them, the "fantastic" view that gets challenged almost at every turn. Then what might we consider to be their biggest, their ultimate fear?

After much digging into my own mind, further researching the topic and considering those who are suspected (or diagnosed) Narcissists, I had to conclude that the fear of all fears for a Narcissist is the fear of losing control.

If you have dealt with a Narcissist in the past, this may at once confirm your experience and challenge it. We do know that a Narcissist loves being in control, craves it and indeed will go to great lengths to make sure he has as much of it as possible. But can that really be IT - the ultimate, the most important factor in his life?

To illustrate why I really think so I must explain and expand the definition of the term. Of course, being in control often means having a position of power and influence over other people's feelings and behavior, and Narcissists are notorious for being very persistent in trying to gain and secure this type of control over their family and other people who are close to them. Indeed, the most egregious incidents are known to happen when the Narcissist is lead to believe he or she is losing their control of their partners. 

Setting that aside for a minute however, we can consider the broader definition of control - being in control of one's own emotions, behavior - one's life. As children, Narcissists are often made to feel powerless while simultaneously put in the position where they must prove their self-worth by performing better than an average person.

 This teaches them two lessons: lesson number one - your survival (because for a child approval and affection of their parent equals being able to survive) depends on how well you perform, not how you feel and only people who perform well are worthy of affection, and lesson number too - you are powerless unless you are not in full control of other people's feelings. Therefore, the power and search for control are placed externally, not internally, since controlling one's "audience's" emotions can keep one out trouble, while one's own feelings hardly matter at all.

So it is little wonder then, when a grown-up (in terms of physical form, at least) Narcissist places such great value on their ability to control other people's emotions and their actions toward the Narcissist. Because one's own feelings are rarely considered and explored, they become, by enlarge, an enigma to a Narcissists - and the further he moves away from his core, the scarier that enigma becomes. So when I say a Narcissist is most scared of losing control, I want to point out that this also means their fear of losing themselves in their own scary, uncontrollable emotions. They would much prefer to keep those locked away and would rather not open that

"Pandora's box." Hence the fixation on keeping a steady stream of external stimuli, and ever more persistent attempts to control other people's view of them in hope of bringing some sense of balance in their world.

However, there is another layer to his same fixation on control and being terrified of losing it. I would put it simply as a "fear of life". This may sound kind of absurd. But if we think about it, it is merely the extension of the same old fear of losing control.

Every truly developed, well-functioning adult knows, and has learned to deal with the reality that life is messy, unpredictable and full of surprises - in summary - it is pretty much uncontrollable. Despite your best efforts, you never really know what is around the corner - people once madly in love get divorced, babies get born and loved ones die, and there are myriads of other things that we do not control but still have to learn how to deal with.

 I am convinced that the Narcissist is not truly capable of accepting this reality, and a lot of "mysterious" behavior that boggles their partner's mind can be explained by this simple fact. They are terrified of the truth - the outside world is not subject to any rational law, and therefore their life is never fully under their control. Observe anyone who you believe to be a Narcissist and I guarantee you that you will soon spot their inability to let go and let the life come to them as it will.

Possibly due to their childhood experiences, they are convinced the the world is full of danger, ready to hurt them, nothing is as it seems and that they must be alert and up in arms at all times. They can not live with the fact that they will gain some advantages, relationship, things and lose the others, as well as accept the truth that they will lose their prime physical shape, age and die some day, just like everyone else. Their building the fantastic alter ego is just an attempt to shield themselves form unsettling reality - that they are rigid, inflexible structures that are not at ease with the ever-changing unpredictable life.

 All of the free-willing and smooth talking in the world can not hide away the relentless grip of control that is behind all that "charm". When they do not have anyone to control, the Narcissist are left with the cold truth: they do not know how to be at peace with themselves, their life and the fact that they do not know what is coming next. That is the most terrifying place of all.

I'd  would like to conclude with this: many people ask me how to "make" a Narcissist understand what they are going through, or how to make them feel a certain way. I am guessing there are some disgruntled victims who, at least for a time, would like to see the Narcissist suffer the consequences, than at least realize the magnitude of their (N's) issues.

I say, if you want a Narcissist to finally fully face the enormity of their problem - do not try and "make" them feel a certain way - just leave them alone face to face with their own reality and they will be forced to confront the beast they have been trying so hard to escape.

As for the people who suspect they may have Narcissistic traits, as hard as it may seem, allowing yourself to feel whatever it is that comes up in the moment and just breathing, observing it and letting it happen, then noticing that your fear of that process is largely unfounded is the only way that I know of for reversing the construction of the "wall" that keeps you isolated and incensed to real life.

Judging from my own experience, being brave enough to go down this road will give you new and uniquely satisfying way to feel at peace with yourself.
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Re: Narcissistic Behavior and how to deal with it.
#119: December 10, 2015, 05:26:07 PM
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Don't ask why someone is still hurting you; ask why you keep letting them.What you allow continues.

At some point you have to get sick of going through the same sh!t.

Women are NOT rehabilitation centers for badly raised men. It is not your job to fix ,parent, raise or change him.
You want a partner not a project.

 

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