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MLC Monster Re: REPLAY - #3
#50: October 04, 2013, 04:37:31 AM
Yes, my H did and the affair was the escape from it all! We all suffered due to his relentless work schedule and she got the best of him, weekends away and sex fest!
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Re: REPLAY - #3
#51: October 04, 2013, 04:23:33 PM

Can they actually work themselves into the ground?


MLC is a grief process. When they found that nothing outside can really make them happy & they hit the rock bottom , they will start the true work. It's just hard to say when the process will finish , it really depend on the individual's ability to look inside & find their true self.  But I believe they will find a way back because the life before MLC is good , what they treasured in the past was still there ( hopefully ) .
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Re: REPLAY - #3
#52: October 04, 2013, 04:56:23 PM
I can't agree with that, MLCers 4 pillars are God, Body, Spouse, Job. My wife align with all 4. They just must function, but under persona - mask. They are under covert depression. They wanna change all 4 pillars but they haven't energy and will to do it that make them even more angrier. Ie means, Body = plastic surgery, running, gym, teenager cloths. God, stop to be religious and accuse God for their misery. They get fired from job because they cannot function well in it. My wife change 4 jobs since she go in MLC. Lost interest, low motivation, stubbornness and so on. Spouse is to blame because their life sux and who to blame = SO. My W in beginning blame self = Antihero. When we start to fight about her EA, then she blame me.

So, they are miserable in all 4 pillars, but they have to work and function in life under mask, but they are covertly depressed.

I agree that they fight what they have but some of them function pretty well. And for years on end. One of the pillars, God, does not apply to every MLC. Some, like mine, are not, and never weere, religious or God believers. So some are not fighting that pillar.

What I mean by them functioning pretty well is that, some, manage to keep a MLC job for many years (mine has been on his steady MLC job for 6 years), a relationship with the same person for many years (OW2 has been in place for more than 5 years) and they look normal to anyone, sometimes even to old friends.

With some MLCers only the LBS, and maybe a close relative, may think they are strange and different. Everyone else will nothing wrong with them. So, if they can hold a job for years on end, keep the same relationship for many years, lead what, from outside, is considered a normal life, they can function in the outer world. They are not in hospital or in a mental health institution. 

Still, mine is not able to find himself. Next week he has left 7 years ago. He remains in Replay and doing what he was doing when he left, being a DJ, clubbing, going party. He probably got too lost into MLC madness.

Mine is also become a workaholic. He has to keep himself busy at all times. Years ago he told me he could not stop because if he did he had to think about what he had done. Now, after many more nasty things done, he must be terrified of a moment without work, people around him, loud music, constant movement.

Most can work themselves into the ground even if it may take many years. Mine, I don't know. 7 years of party and clubbing and still able to not to sleep, or barely sleep, several nights in a row? This from a man who when young and until a little before he left needed at least 8 hours of sleep a night.

The ones who no longer have what they treasure before MLC (and mine has nothing. he does not have me, we don't have the marital home, doubt his old boss wants anything to do with him, he will not be accept back on our joint project that I'm slowly trying to bring back to life) may found it harder to get out of crisis. After all, all they have is themselves, their MLC mates and the other person. May be better to stick to that than to risk come out of crisis to be faced with nothing you used to treasure.

 
 
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Re: REPLAY - #3
#53: October 07, 2013, 09:19:55 AM
I WILL TRY TO CONNECT INDIVIDUATION PROCESS AND REPLAY

Individuation stages:

1. DISSOLUTION OF PERSONA
- PERSONA

2. DISSOLUTION OF THE ARCHETYPES
-  SHADOW
-  ANIMA / ANIMUS

As You can see MLCer have to deal with whole self ! And in this order:
-  PERSONA
-  EGO
-  SHADOW
-  ANIMA / ANIMUS
-  SELF

As we possibly can trace them trough MLC stages map, I will try to trace my MLCer trough individuation map. Also I will try to make transparent whats going on in this CRUSADE ! xD

Majority of LBS's try to understand all crazy things what produce their MLCer. It is hard to understand motives or behavior someone who appears like crazy maniac which is total opposite what our spouse was before this madness.

Also process of individuation can be seen like this:

SELF - > INDIVIDUATED SELF
- Know your Self
- Love your Self
- Trust your Self
- Be your Self

This is the repost from REPLAY #2, I did not find so much time to made what I did promise, sorry because of inconvenience. I will try to merge MLCer map and individuation process in my genuine MLCer case. As I write before, is totally confusing that MLC is long 2-7 years and Jung said mergere shadow - ego is long 2-7 years. According RCR MLCer map Dissolution of persona begin in liminality or in Conway map in ACCEPTANCE phase. If is on that way whole MLC process will be much, much longer then 2-7 years. I believe that a lot things happening during REPLAY which is longest and most painful for LBS in MLC map. I don't wanna to prove anything, as I said I will try to connect MLC map and INdividuation process in my case.
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Re: REPLAY - #3
#54: October 07, 2013, 09:46:39 AM
Albatoss

You say you are going to attempt to trace/identify your W's progress using the stages of Individuation.  Persona/Ego/Shadow/Animus/Self.  It might be helpful in understanding these stages if you could provide some behavioral examples of each stage.  I have always believed that working from examples helps to formulate a concept or principle of what the example represents than attempting to think of examples based on concepts (the other way around).

Thanks for your consideration....and for all the valuable insight you provide to us struggling LBS's.
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Re: REPLAY - #3
#55: October 07, 2013, 09:56:16 AM
Same response from me! Would help if I could read concrete exames! Thank you so much your posts are brilliant.
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Re: REPLAY - #3
#56: October 10, 2013, 08:30:06 AM
I would be interested in hearing from anyone in reconnection or rebuilding as to what their MLCer was doing in Replay up until the point liminality hit.  I am seeing very tragic and desperate measures by my H to find 'happiness' it really is looking quite pathetic.  I cannot understand how he thinks deep down this behaviour is normal.   I appreciate within MLC land it is an individual journey, I am just interested whether there is some sort of pattern, if at all.



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Re: REPLAY - #3
#57: October 10, 2013, 08:44:45 AM
I would be interested in hearing from anyone in reconnection or rebuilding as to what their MLCer was doing in Replay up until the point liminality hit.  I am seeing very tragic and desperate measures by my H to find 'happiness' it really is looking quite pathetic.  I cannot understand how he thinks deep down this behaviour is normal.   I appreciate within MLC land it is an individual journey, I am just interested whether there is some sort of pattern, if at all.

What they do ? Mostly they think that their life is total failure. And they searching for happiness - new life. Running away from unhappiness - old life. Someone, something what will make them happy. They don't realize that nobody can make someone happy.

Their personality does not work anymore. Instead changing self, depression is natural state for investigating inner self. And that happening to the people in MLT. But they instead changing self decide that all others around them guilty for their misery and escape from old life. So, MLcers in REPLAY are happiness chasers  - junkies. Escaping and avoiding changing self. When they FINALLY realize that it is OWN fault or tired or both, perusing happiness because they will not find any, they are ready for liminality.
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Re: REPLAY - #3
#58: October 10, 2013, 08:55:30 AM
Thanks Albatross.

What I don't get is how they don't see that either sleeping around, lying, spending money they don't have, etc etc is normal behaviour.   

The reason for my question is I am interested in how many people in reconnection or reconciliation out there had an MLCer who went to OP2, OP3 etc before they hit liminality.  I am fearful that the answer is 'none'?

In addition to this, going back to my original question, for those who have reconciled what replay activities was their MLCer involved in (if known) before liminality.

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Re: REPLAY - #3
#59: October 10, 2013, 09:38:46 AM
panda,

What junkie that continues to inject poison into his/her bloodstream is not aware that it is destructive behavior?  That doesn't matter because it is something they believe they HAVE to do in spite of knowing it's crazy.  That's why addicts mostly try to conceal their addictions.  They are not proud of what they do.  They see the alternative.....getting clean, or in the case of MLCers, facing their demons....as much worse than continuing with their addiction.  When they withdraw, there is serious pain, anguish and misery.  This is true with any addiction, whether it be heroin or sex or alcohol or anything else.  The MLCer feels deep depression and fear.

And there are many, many, many LBS's who have MLCers who go on to multiple OPs.  You are not alone and your MLCer is typical.

Hang in there and take care!
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