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#80: June 02, 2024, 11:56:00 AM
Faith walker, the vacation was fantastic.  I think I really needed something to push myself forward in my own progress.  Having a break from the responsibilities that sometimes feel crushing felt like a relief.  It was also just nice to experience a completely different place that held no memories with a new group of people.  I got to see the northern light, dogsled (which was one of my favorite things), sight seeing, snowmobiling, reindeer sleigh rides, hunt for Santa and other cold things. 

On the MLC front, it just seems like an endless cycle of sorts.  He’s angry at, well seemingly everyone and thing and takes no accountability.  The oldest has been  using unhealthy coping mechanisms to cope with this whole nightmare.  ExH refuses to acknowledge it may have something to do with our family falling apart and not just my crappy parenting.  The oldest is angry and expresses frequently how his dad doesn’t love him, how he chose the OW over him.  He’s hurting.  I still have more of a view into ExH’s life than I should.  If someone wanted a textbook example of how childhood trauma makes you attach to an unhealthy person this would be it.  Both think the other is cheating or going to cheat on them and they don’t seem that happy most of the time.   :o

I try to limit my interactions but with almost nightly sports for the past 3 months, that has been hard.  Luckily we will have a break for a while with summer.  I suppose it’s good he tries to be there for the kids more than at first. 

As for myself, I’ve continued in therapy and feel like I probably will for the foreseeable future.  Where it’s not as necessary, I still feel like it just helps keep me from letting the trauma from getting me off course when something else pops up.  I’m considering returning to school and learning something new.  I get lonely sometimes but seeing how exH is, I don’t really miss him much.  While I still struggle with certain aspects of my self worth, I do now see that I don’t and never did deserve what he did to me. 

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#81: June 03, 2024, 03:48:49 AM
Both think the other is cheating or going to cheat on them and they don’t seem that happy most of the time.   :o

Hmmmmmmm ..... He cheated on you with OW.... Now that they are together, she thinks he'll cheat on her... Gee. I wonder why she would imagine that?  I mean, their entirerelationship is based on cheating so why woudl things change?

On the other side, he cheated on you with OW so he expects that he will get cheated on because he cheated... Projection, anyone?

Sounds like a match made in Hades....
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#82: June 04, 2024, 12:26:14 PM
Hello,
It is so good to hear from you. Each time you post, you sound better and stronger. Your truly are MomofSteel.

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While I still struggle with certain aspects of my self worth, I do now see that I don’t and never did deserve what he did to me.

Exactly. His actions and choices had nothing to do about you, it had everything to do about him. This is what your son needs to understand. His father's actions are not about his father not loving him, it's his father doesn't love himself. OW isn't the answer. She's a cough drop. She alleviates some symptoms, but she is not the cure for him.

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I try to limit my interactions but with almost nightly sports for the past 3 months, that has been hard.  Luckily we will have a break for a while with summer.  I suppose it’s good he tries to be there for the kids more than at first.

That is the best for you. You don't want to get sucked into his nonsense because it won't help him and only drains you. That is because you care and he doesn't.  That is due to the fact that you are the adult and he is not.

Continue to stay on course and just know how proud we are of your progress and many accomplishments!

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#83: August 07, 2024, 06:48:20 PM
Well, thought I’d pop in with an update.  The ex and OW are still at their weird merry-go-round fighting, almost breaking up or declaring they are, and then making up again.  I think it’s super cute that they are now in couples therapy to try to make it work.  I mean, years of marriage and children aren’t enough to try to work through things but saving face for destroying your own life certainly is.   ::) luckily I haven’t been drug into it the last couple months and the boundaries are starting to stick. 

I’m struggling a bit with our anniversary this year.  It would have been a big one.  I’m sure he doesn’t even remember it.  I recently went on a trip by myself since he had the kids in an effort to distract myself from him taking them to what I once thought was our family’s special place with my replacement.  I really struggled with feeling like once again what I thought was real and special just wasn’t to him.  It feels a bit like those once happy memories have been tarnished and just look different now that the lens I view them through has changed.  It’s mind boggling that not only do they steal the future we had planned, they somehow can also steal parts of the past. 

I’m also feeling increasingly lonely lately.  I think it’s compounding with these other feelings bubbling to the surface.  It’s irritating.  I’m sick of missing him.  I’m sick of being alone.  I’m sick of not having help and having to try and do all the things alone.  It also feels that while I have supportive people in my life, they don’t get it if they haven’t been through it.  They say inadvertently hurtful things and I sometimes just find myself feeling like I’m on the outside looking in. 

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#84: August 07, 2024, 08:03:56 PM
Well, thought I’d pop in with an update.  The ex and OW are still at their weird merry-go-round fighting, almost breaking up or declaring they are, and then making up again.  I think it’s super cute that they are now in couples therapy to try to make it work.  I mean, years of marriage and children aren’t enough to try to work through things but saving face for destroying your own life certainly is.   ::) luckily I haven’t been drug into it the last couple months and the boundaries are starting to stick. 

I’m struggling a bit with our anniversary this year.  It would have been a big one.  I’m sure he doesn’t even remember it.  I recently went on a trip by myself since he had the kids in an effort to distract myself from him taking them to what I once thought was our family’s special place with my replacement.  I really struggled with feeling like once again what I thought was real and special just wasn’t to him.  It feels a bit like those once happy memories have been tarnished and just look different now that the lens I view them through has changed.  It’s mind boggling that not only do they steal the future we had planned, they somehow can also steal parts of the past. 

I’m also feeling increasingly lonely lately.  I think it’s compounding with these other feelings bubbling to the surface.  It’s irritating.  I’m sick of missing him.  I’m sick of being alone.  I’m sick of not having help and having to try and do all the things alone.  It also feels that while I have supportive people in my life, they don’t get it if they haven’t been through it.  They say inadvertently hurtful things and I sometimes just find myself feeling like I’m on the outside looking in.

Hey MOS.

I was nodding along as I read your post. I can completely empathise with struggling to understand how something we thought was so special for both of us was just so easily thrown away. It's one of the things I still just can't get to make sense.  :'(

I also know what you mean about tarnished memories. I remember talking with my SIL a year or so ago, I was wondering when he had REALLY started up with the OW and if there had been previous OW I'd never even known about. She asked me if it really mattered; it was in the past now surely and I just needed to look forward. I said 'But what about my memories? What do I do with all of them now? How do I know what was real?'

So I get it. We all get it here. I'm sorry people say hurtful things because they don't (can't) understand. 

Glad to hear the boundaries are starting to stick. I hope you can find something nice to do for yourself to get through the anniversary. I've settled on celebrating these times that still mean something to me but not to anyone else anymore, quietly by myself. Maybe more of a gentle mourning than a celebration? I've decided that I don't have to let what he did completely ruin my past and all my memories. They were real to me. I loved my life. I'm allowed to miss that life and that love. So I allow myself to feel the sorrow, but also remember all the good things as well. Sending you hugs and understanding.
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#85: August 08, 2024, 12:46:27 AM
Hugs and empathy from here too, MoS.

Hmmm, those feelings that bubble up sometimes. Yup, we get it, I hope you know we do. It’s pretty normal. Sucky but normal. Ditto that ‘I’m sick of feeling this way and sick of not being able to click my fingers and magically feel different’. I remember that stage in my own process - and how exhausting and disheartening it was - and I can only imagine that with kids, it’s a bigger and more complicated set of feelings.

I remember that I started to notice over time that these kind of ‘down blips’ were often less of a negative thing than I thought they were but more a kind of presaging of an internal shift in me. I also want to suggest that it is quite possible that in reality you have been on a metaphorical battlefield for the last couple of years, focused on survival. I honestly think that some bits of our healing don’t really start to happen until our system knows we are now a bit more distant from that, as if it knows we can now have space to process stuff we just couldn’t before. It’s not a very nice feeling though, is it? I recall it feeling like a failure, as if I had gone back not forwards….but I suspect now with the gift of hindsight that it was more like picking up some things I’d had to throw off to the side of the survival path.

The other thing I’d like to throw in for your consideration is that it may also be a rather normal part of the grieving process. I read a great book called ‘Second Firsts’ at a similar stage which put words to a lot of things I couldn’t at the time. (And isn’t it exhausting having big feelings that you’re not even sure you can describe to yourself lol?) This stage - or so I found - was like a sort of internal subterranean stirring and clanking. I really felt it was a bad thing, certainly I didn’t like it, but actually it was more of a readying for what next.

Anniversaries - along with a whole bunch of other often small things - can be pretty unsettling and leave us not quite knowing how to feel about them, I think.

So, if it’s any comfort at all, what you describe sounds very normal to me and perhaps a more constructive thing than it feels. And perhaps one of the advantages of some of those boundaries starting to stick is that it gives you more space and energy to focus on your own recovery rather than everyone else’s or indeed their messes xxx
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#86: August 08, 2024, 01:14:29 AM
Seconding those hugs - I nodded along too,

I remember that I started to notice over time that these kind of ‘down blips’ were often less of a negative thing than I thought they were but more a kind of presaging of an internal shift in me. I also want to suggest that it is quite possible that in reality you have been on a metaphorical battlefield for the last couple of years, focused on survival. I honestly think that some bits of our healing don’t really start to happen until our system knows we are now a bit more distant from that, as if it knows we can now have space to process stuff we just couldn’t before. It’s not a very nice feeling though, is it? I recall it feeling like a failure, as if I had gone back not forwards….but I suspect now with the gift of hindsight that it was more like picking up some things I’d had to throw off to the side of the survival path.

Love this description T. I have come to this conclusion too. These dull thuds - another painful thing landing. The longer dips - a shift, even a small one, into a new phase. This is what I observe for myself. It still hurts like hell, but I know I am moving forward. I wonder if 'sick and tired' is also a catalyser to make some changes. Or a herald for the next phase.

The whole going to the special place thing with the OW. Yup, I've had that. Seems common. And it really does hurt. I for one took it really personally. Then I realised that I was still seeing him as he once was, and thinking like a 'normal' person does, when grieving the end of a long marriage. That's the lens I see things through - a deeply reflective grieving mindset. All of us here on the forum, I imagine it's the same. The crisis person is in a running away, full of shame, block it all out mindset. I cannot truly know, but I suspect that my H went to that place because it was familiar. Because he is a tad lazy and lacks any imagination ATM. Because he just went along with OW's thinly veiled desire to mark her territory and piss on our past. One or all of those. Probably the same with your xH. He cannot connect to the deep, meaningful memories of you and your family there because he is operating on surface level. I doubt he could bear it, honestly. Hard to fathom, but if he was a healthy guy with some va va voom he'd have more imagination to do something special and tailored for the OW. You've got to pity her really. She gets the secondhand experience.


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#87: December 15, 2024, 08:19:56 PM
I have come back periodically to the forum meaning to update and comment but after reading and starting a million responses, somehow I seem to give up before ever posting.  In some ways, it's reflective of my mood the last few months.  Things are fine, but there is still a level of internal angst but it's just kind of hanging there not really changing.  I feel a little stuck.  While so much healing has happened, I realize I still have more to do.  There really are so many levels of garbage to work through. 

The wasband and OW are getting married soon.  I was a little doubtful they would make it to this point, but with only a few days left, it seems like it really is happening.  A combination of their upcoming wedding, the holidays in which I don't have my kids this year is leaving me feeling out of sorts.  It has just started hitting me.  I feel a little left behind.  Big trips and the kids experiencing these things with the two of them makes me feel replaced.  Of course he left me, and while I know my kids didn't choose this, I feel a bit left behind by them as well.  I take care of the drudgery of parenthood and he just gets the fun.  I guess I'm just feeling a bit sorry for myself today and feeling incredibly alone.  I'm jealous of the intact families I see and wonder if I will ever have someone who loves me and choses me and wants to be with me.  I want a partner who will love me but am terrified of trying to get back out there.  I don't want to be hurt again. 

I'm not sure what I am looking for, probably just understanding from someone who understands the pain. 
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#88: December 16, 2024, 12:24:43 AM
Years ago, my former h also married ow and I remember it being a very odd feeling to sit with indeed. A lot of different emotions even though by then I did not want the person he’d become back. A sort of ick feeling like a stranger had used my toothbrush through disbelief at how he could say again vows he had so spectacularly broken to not being very surprised at all bc evidence suggested it had always been ow’s game plan long before I even knew she existed.

And tbh a kind of mental door closing bc in my head his remarriage meant that he was not my husband in a way that divorce didn’t quite 100% do. It’s a thing, for sure, and you’ll probably find your emotions swill around for a bit in a way that sometimes others don’t get.

No kids though, so that part of the s$it sandwich wasn’t part of my experience. I’ve read others posts here feeling just like you do about being the sensible adult doing all the hard work though…but I’ve also read that most LBS come to realise with the time that the real joy and connection of parenting actually doesn’t come from the shiny vacations or days out, it comes from all the everyday day after day stuff, all those mini-moments. And that usually with time, kids get that too as their relationship with both parents evolves. And tbh MLC types are rarely good everyday parents; neither are ow types tbh. Bc if you can create this kind of rupture in small peoples’ lives, there’s an inherent self focus in that, isn’t there? A lot of Me Me.

Long time since I have had any contact with my xh so I have no idea how his ‘new improved’ marriage worked out. I remember thinking at the time that both of them were being quite foolish and that it wasn’t going to be my kind of marriage. Like yours, a lot of drama and deceit even just that I knew of and literally just a few weeks before their wedding my then h was bewailing his lot and calling her the C word bc he found out she’d lied to him. And yet, reader, they married each other lol. He married a woman he knew was a liar and she married a man she knew could throw a wife of twenty years under a bus. My wedding was a calm, happy, joyful thing, as I recall. No soap opera antics and nothing to sweep under the reception rug. Their version would not have suited me at all and I would not have married a man with that history.. but then I’m not an ow type who always seem to me to be some blend of stupid, self-centred and delusional.

Not a good foundation imho for a good marriage, but if you think about it, both have something to prove, don’t they? And maybe a wedding does that….look, a ‘happy ending’, party, lots of attention, all worth it, twu luv forever etc etc. as the saying goes, the goods are odd and the odds are not good - there’s a reason why something like 70% of second marriages don’t last. And a wedding is not a marriage, is it? Plus you already know that you can and did break those very vows that you are now repeating….i imagine with even a little bit of thought that would be an uncomfortable reality if one let on self look at it.

And yet….
You will also find with time that it just doesn’t matter so much to you. He was your h and you shared a life and family, and then he decided you didn’t. He chose to put it all on a new spin of the metaphorical roulette wheel and time will tell how that goes for him and ow, beyond your control and not your circus. How his choices unfold for him won’t matter so much bc it isn’t your life - although I think we all understandably enjoy a little bit of the karma bus when we see it! And the fact that he is someone ekses’s h, and you are not an ow type, will make it easier to comfortably set some good clear boundaries so you do not have to carry the care of a half-husband in name only lol. That can be a relief after the turmoil post BD.

All still not about you, of course.
He’s not remarrying bc you failed or he found better. He’s remarrying bc it’s the next throw of the dice in the story that might make him feel better. (Plot spoiler…it probably won’t bc we take ourselves with us, don’t we, and he will carry whatever failings and flaws he brought with him to your marriage. A wedding does not magically erase who we are, does it?) At this stage, the story probably hangs together only if both believe that YOU were the problem and they will now be magically better with each other……a mutual magic erasing wand if you like. And most sane sensible adults know that’s rarely how life works. 

I remember thinking at the time that if I had wanted to remarry, I would have approached it with a great deal of caution and humility as a second marriage. And I wasn’t the one who cheated and lied and stole and behaved with so little respect in ending my first one lol. I also remember thinking that happy people at peace with themselves about to marry don’t behave like my then h did, or ow for that matter, bc there was still a lot of bile and anger and spite floating around. It was odd. In the run up to my wedding, I would have bought the whole world a metaphorical Coke if I could ha ha.

Of course some second marriages stay the course. And I imagine that some even turn out to be good and happy marriages. But they start with a big shadow, a history that never goes away, and I imagine that is not always comfortable.
The story of that New Us is not a very oretty one in reality, particularly with young kids involved.

But again, as I said, you will find either time  - as long as your kids are not deeply distressed - that you just won’t care much bc it won’t matter in your life either way if he is married to OW, or gets divorced again, is happy or not happy or somewhere in between. It just won’t change anything now in your life much either way - the damage done has already been done regardless so what happens next for him doesn’t really matter as much as one might feel it does. It might matter for him, but not for you.
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#89: December 16, 2024, 06:03:10 AM

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And tbh a kind of mental door closing bc in my head his remarriage meant that he was not my husband in a way that divorce didn’t quite 100% do

Makes sense

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And a wedding is not a marriage, is it?

True

The whole celebration part with the kids would be hard to take.
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