[kikki]

What I would like to see on DMS is MLC.

Oh yeah -  I am looking forward to that day too.
Now, how to get a MLCer to see a psychiatrist? - and then we might start getting some action .......

[Anjae]

Oh yeah -  I am looking forward to that day too.
Now, how to get a MLCer to see a psychiatrist? - and then we might start getting some action .......

Think only when they hit rock bottom... or if we use a tranquilizer dart, then tie the MLCer and deliver it to the psychiatrist...  Problem? Would the psychiatrist be aware of MLC? Neurologists/neuroscientists seem to be more aware of it...

[Ready2Transform]

Oh yeah -  I am looking forward to that day too.
Now, how to get a MLCer to see a psychiatrist? - and then we might start getting some action .......

Think only when they hit rock bottom... or if we use a tranquilizer dart, then tie the MLCer and deliver it to the psychiatrist...  Problem? Would the psychiatrist be aware of MLC? Neurologists/neuroscientists seem to be more aware of it...

I like the idea of tranquilizing truth darts.  Kills two birds with one stone! 

Throw in endocrinologist and naturopath as possible allies, too (Plus zoologist, if we attribute it to bat$h!te craziness.  ).  The solutions pose yet more questions - it all comes down to what the real source of this is - and there may be just as many answers to that as there are MLCers. 

[Anjae]

I like the idea of tranquilizing truth darts.  Kills two birds with one stone! 

Loved it. 

Throw in endocrinologist and naturopath as possible allies, too (Plus zoologist, if we attribute it to bat$hit craziness.  ).  The solutions pose yet more questions - it all comes down to what the real source of this is - and there may be just as many answers to that as there are MLCers.

Endocrinologist for sure. And maybe many naturopath will be up to help us out. Bat$hit craziness is certain so, lets enroll some zoologist. 

Yes, I can picture, all these people, plus us LBS, in a members only club, around and old table full of books, tablets and computers open in the latest articles of n subjects, all debating the source of MLC and its possible solutions.

All of course, tempered with fine beverages and amazing food. 

[kikki]

Now you're talking 

Well, as some people are starting to believe - Depression is a symptom, with many potential causes.

Perhaps MLC will one day be believed to be the symptom, of which there were many potential root causes, as you say Ready2.

Craig Meriwether
The 4 Real Causes of Depression
 
There seems to be a popular notion that depression can be explained simply and easily, that depression is due to a biochemical disparity in the brain and by finding the right pill or combination of pills it will go away. However, the origins of depression are not that clear cut. No two people, even if they have the same exact symptoms, will have the same imbalances causing their depression. Research has shown that there are four very different, underlying causes of depression and in this episode I’m going to take you through each in detail.
 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOvAyAv70eQ
(I haven't watched these clips, but the link to his audio has expired)

[Anjae]

Tink this link has what would be on the video and more

http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/happiness-in-world/200910/the-true-cause-depression

But for me some depression do have biochemical and hormonal reasons and not the other way round. Thyroid being one case. It is the thyroid problems that cause the depression and not the depression that causes the thyroid problems.

Saying that depression is a symptom and not the cause is like saying cancer is a symptom and not the cause. In cancer the cause could be said to be that some cells went rogue and stop working towards the common good.

I agree that depression always has a reason but not that "I would argue that depression arises at its core from a belief that we're powerless to solve our problems.". in some cases yes, but not always.

PND is real and caused by reasons other than psychological. The trend to see depression as nothing but a "you're depressed because you want" is, in my view, dangerous. It can lead to further stigma and make people feel even more inadequate.

[kikki]

Nope - just watching it now.
He says we all understand the mind/body link, they communicate to each other and  are more like one system rather than two individual parts.
Depression is the mind's way of getting your attention.
No good or bad emotions.  All valid. Problem occurs when they become stuck and start looping, and it becomes your 'set point'.
When anger, grief, pain become your normal, you have a problem.  Like an indication light in your car that there is some difficulty with the engine.

You don't want to cover up the light with a piece of duct tape.  You want to find the cause, fix it and move on.
He believes that taking a pill is the piece of duct tape and is not looking at the causes.

He writes his books from the latest science research.

There hasn't found to be a depression gene, but scientists perhaps wonder about a genetic 'predisposition' that needs to be triggered in some way (because of studies done on identical twins who were separated at birth.  When one suffers depression, the other twin has a 67% chance of also suffering from it).

eg - Scientists have discovered a gene 5HTT - which can affect your brain's ability to create serotonin - but ONLY after it has been triggered by a very stressful event.

Serotonin - neurotransmitter - brain chemical - has a lot of different functions, deals with digestion, immune system and helps you get in a positive mood.

Dr Daniel Amen says that being diagnosed with depression is like being diagnosed with chest pain.  There are a multitude of potential reasons for the pain.

Four causes of depression:

1) Physiology - such as illness, hypothyroidism, nutrient deficiencies, food allergies, food additives, head injury, low testosterone.

2)  Medications, Drugs and toxins - Prescription medications, recreational drugs, chemicals, heavy metals

3)  Emotional trauma

4)  Automatic Negative thoughts

[Ready2Transform]

Four causes of depression:

1) Physiology - such as illness, hypothyroidism, nutrient deficiencies, food allergies, food additives, head injury, low testosterone.

2)  Medications, Drugs and toxins - Prescription medications, recreational drugs, chemicals, heavy metals

3)  Emotional trauma

4)  Automatic Negative thoughts

Impossible to not look at this list and not think instead of being a list of 4 possibilities, it's seemingly the recipe for MLC - all happening at once! 

[Anjae]

Problem occurs when they become stuck and start looping, and it becomes your 'set point'.
When anger, grief, pain become your normal, you have a problem.  Like an indication light in your car that there is some difficulty with the engine.

Yes but get stuck and starting looping is not valid for depression caused by thyroid, PND or any other condition that does derive from feelings/thoughts. It is rooted in clear physical/body issues.

You don't want to cover up the light with a piece of duct tape.  You want to find the cause, fix it and move on.

He believes that taking a pill is the piece of duct tape and is not looking at the causes.

Of course not but often therapists and doctors tell people what is the cause of their depression (thoughts, life style) and nothing changes. When people don't want to listen they don't listen. Or people cannot afford to do those changes.

Also, at a point, the thoughts/feelings had already caused a big imbalance in several body/brain areas so it is no longer possible to simply reverse the thoughts/feeling because further damage had been caused.

Sometimes one has to take the pill. Even if to just balance things to a point one can start functioning again. It happend with my cousin and it happened with me. But there is a big difference between taking a pill for a short period of time and take it forever/ages.

We have to take in consideration that most people simply cannot check out of their lives and go and live in a paradise. So, for some, the pill is what is going to keep them above water.

What is the reason/cause is it modern life? Or the stresses of the marriage (and yes, marriages can be stressful)? Or the job? How do you solve those? MLCers way?...

Yes, a predisposition for depression makes sense and is believed to exist. There is no single gene for a single cause/thing. It is always a group of genes/several genes. Like with all predisposition it requires a trigger.

Dr Daniel Amen says that being diagnosed with depression is like being diagnosed with chest pain.  There are a multitude of potential reasons for the pain.

Yes but there is nothing new with it. At least around here doctors always (by always I mean in the latest decades) tried to know why someone is depressed/caused the depression. If no other health issues are present it usually is the lifestyle/the way people think.

Yet we keep having more and more depressed people even if doctors had been aware that there are several causes for depression and even what to do. Somehow it does not seem to work and depression levels just increase. Why?

And the same goes to MLC. It is often possible to see that someone is unwell, they even say they are depressed, took some med, tried to change their lifestyle but the crisis still hit them. And there was nothing one could do.

True, Ready2 but how do you reverse those? How do we change that and prevent the MLC from happening? You've had one yourself. I most likely also had one. Was there anything that could had stop it?

Probably, for me, a quieter lifestyle since BD but, well, BD and what come with it did not lead to a quieter life.

[kikki]

Four causes of depression:

1) Physiology - such as illness, hypothyroidism, nutrient deficiencies, food allergies, food additives, head injury, low testosterone.

2)  Medications, Drugs and toxins - Prescription medications, recreational drugs, chemicals, heavy metals

3)  Emotional trauma

4)  Automatic Negative thoughts

Impossible to not look at this list and not think instead of being a list of 4 possibilities, it's seemingly the recipe for MLC - all happening at once!

That's a very very interesting thought .....