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#40: June 16, 2012, 06:35:50 AM
Niek, that is so interesting.  Does it explain how the brain gets out of this beta wave?  Or that it can get stuck here?
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#41: June 16, 2012, 06:51:57 AM
I see Kikki's beat me to it (why are you still up this late Kikki???) and I was going to say exactly the same:
This is very interesting Niek.

Is this why so many go into crisis after the death of some one close?  My H went right into reply very soon after his dad passed away.  He's since stated he hates his father for never affirming him.

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Re: How come therapists do not recognise MLC?
#42: June 16, 2012, 06:55:22 AM
So when that aspect of their lives is being triggered in some way, that is when the whole brain system starts to prepare for this horrible journey.
Very interesting Niek. I wonder if the triggering could be caused by hormones. I saw Monster in my W when she was a teenager, when she came off the birth control pill in her twenties and at menopause. Menopause and BD went almost hand in hand. Hormones are on the move in each of those phases.

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Re: How come therapists do not recognise MLC?
#43: June 16, 2012, 07:06:01 AM
I see Kikki's beat me to it (why are you still up this late Kikki???) and I was going to say exactly the same:
This is very interesting Niek.


Hi SP :) The smoke alarm battery died, and woke me up with the beeping - so thought I'd have a quick forum update  8)
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#44: June 16, 2012, 07:13:01 AM
Right, well back to bed now Kikki  :) Oh, I should head off too. (after my milo) :)
By the way, happy belated Birthday.  Saw on your threead that I missed it.  Hope it was a great day.
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Re: How come therapists do not recognise MLC?
#45: June 16, 2012, 07:50:39 AM
We're developing two distinct themes here. One is about the causes and nature of MLC, and the other is about (mis)treatment by therapists.

I'll start with the first theme. I must admit I didn't know anything about alpha/ beta/ delta waves, but from what Niek says, high beta waves are caused by stress, but lead to long term imbalance. This gives us further insight on how stress leads to a form of breakdown called burnout, whose symptoms include tiredness, sickness, a sense of failure and self-doubt, detachment, isolation, and a loss of feelings (anhedonia). See http://www.imfmetal.org/files/stress_english.pdf, or http://www.helpguide.org/mental/burnout_signs_symptoms.htm#warning
There are a number of people on this forums who regarded their spouses as workaholics, or highly stressed for long periods, who may have got to the point of burnout. In some cases, the need to work so hard/ a perfectionist drive comes from some much deeper rooted issues in childhood. Perfectionist workaholics feel valued by what they do, not who they are.

However, this only accounts for some of the spouses, not all of them.

There are some who, sadly, my reveal their "true" nature with time, being unable to keep up the mask of respectability any longer. There are genetic and social basis to character, but although some people may have an idea of what is expected of them socially, it takes too much energy to maintain this mask. This may be the case for those who have personality disorders or unresolved issues. Again, this accounts for some of the spouses, not all of them.

I say "true" in inverted commas because research in psychopathology/ neurology indicates that there isn't one true self stable over a life time. The self as we know it is the result of interaction between different areas of the brain. If one area is affected (by lesions, toxins, tumours, illness, hormones etc.) the "self" changes. Our behaviour can change according to what we eat, drink, medications, exercise, as well as thoughts and expectations.

I appreciate that this is a simplified explanation of human behaviour, but I wanted to emphasise that what we call MLC is actually a variety of behaviours with multiple causes. This is important, because some spouses will not return to their previous behaviour, which they were unable to maintain. There have been LBS here who recognise this, and accept that they should not wait. Others are at the beginning of a decline (there are cases of dementia), others show clear signs of developing psychotic behaviours (some of which are treatable, but nothing can be treated against their will). Other are going through trauma (stress), the results of medications, alcohol, or other illness. There are some (not all) who have some deep emotional issues to resolve.

None of this is easy for us. I would suggest that each of us, as much as possible, tries to step back and analyse their own situation as coolly as possible. We all need to protect ourselves, financially, physically and emotionally as much as we can. Most of us go through deep shock. Personally, I find that an intellectual approach calms me, although we are all different. Once we have understood the type of crisis we are facing, we can take our decisions: detach, set firm boundaries and wait, or move on with our lives.

The second issue is about therapists. I was lucky in that my therapist was truly supportive and helped me to reflect on what was going on, but I don't think she always knew what was happening to my H. Her support was for me. I was also lucky to get this as part of the supporting structures of my employer, although this means that if I hadn't clicked with the therapist, I may not have been able to pay for an alternative.

Therapists don't own our lives, cannot tell us what to do or what to think. They are there to support us, although they sometimes have the difficult job of getting us to face and accept something that we don't want to see. At one point, my therapist thought she may have to counsel me to accept my separation from H, and she often warned me not to set my expectations too high. I was also depressed, and on antidepressants, but I just about managed to function. Putting on my own mask for my students and some friends forced me to do this. I was also lucky to have a wide supportive network of friends and family, much more so than my H.

It's important to click with the therapist, but also important to realise that their job is not just to make us feel better (they can't). None of them can solve our problems, only we can do that, but they should be able to help us reflect on our situations without imposing their own agenda. There are different schools of therapy, some who are more directive than others. If you don't gel with your therapist, you need to find one you can trust. That's fundamental!!!


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Re: How come therapists do not recognise MLC?
#46: June 16, 2012, 08:35:59 AM
No unfortunately the book doesn't explain how to get out of high beta on a natural way. Only by meditation. The book  explains  how our brain has been formed since childhood and why we in fact live in the past and therefore repeat the same things over and over again. To break that pattern you have to change your internal environment (how you feel and think) and then your external environment will alter. It is something like 'The Secret', but this book is written by a scientist.

The title of the book is: Breaking the habit of being yourself; how to loose your mind and create a new one. Dispenza says that by meditation, going into the subconscious mind, you will be able to rewire your brain and create the reality that you want.

It is a really interesting book and provides you with the tools necessary to make major changes in your life.

@Honor. Yes I think female MLC had a lot to do with hormones. I have heard already several times women went into MLC after a hormone treatment. But I am sure that this only happen to people with an unresolved trauma from childhood.

@SP. I think most of the time the crisis is triggered by the death of someone close.

About therapist not knowing about MLC, I think it is because we call it MLC. But MLC for most people is a guy buying a Porsche or something like that (my H did by the way LOL) and runs away with a much younger woman. I have read a book in which people who were brought up by parents with a war trauma were interviewed about their childhood. Someone recommended me this book cause my H's parents both has WWII trauma. Due to a trauma like this the parents gets narcissistic treats and their children become pleasers in order to receive the love the will never get from their parents. Anyway, besides the interviews with these people, there were some interviews with therapists as well. One said that it a common knowledge that if you have childhood issues you will always find a safe partner. One that will not touch the trauma. Later in life when the trauma is triggered by something, you unconsciously will find somebody else to fight and overcome your childhood trauma. This OP usually has treats identical to the parent who caused your trauma.

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Re: How come therapists do not recognise MLC?
#47: June 16, 2012, 08:51:43 AM
I immediatley looked up
Breaking the habit of being yourself; how to loose your mind and create a new one. Dispenza says that by meditation, going into the subconscious mind, you will be able to rewire your brain and create the reality that you want.

The book looks really interesting, despite some criticisms of speculation mixed with the science. However, while I was browsing, I came across the following by Chris Walton:
Gamma Healing: Eliminate Subconscious Limiting Beliefs, Anxiety Fear and Doubt in Less Than 5 Minutes

Has anyone read it?
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Re: How come therapists do not recognise MLC?
#48: June 16, 2012, 09:54:54 AM
@Honor. Yes I think female MLC had a lot to do with hormones. I have heard already several times women went into MLC after a hormone treatment. But I am sure that this only happen to people with an unresolved trauma from childhood.
XW can tick the unresolved trauma from childhood box too.


Dispenza says that by meditation, going into the subconscious mind, you will be able to rewire your brain and create the reality that you want.
Haven't hypnotists and hypnotherapists been saying similar for as long as they have been around?

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Re: How come therapists do not recognise MLC?
#49: June 16, 2012, 09:57:39 AM
No, never read it. In less than 5 minutes????

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