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#60: November 22, 2013, 08:36:30 AM
lbs~ My H went to IC during this crisis, have no idea the discussions, but he has indicated  to me that it helped alot!  He also "said he was at therapy" when in fact he was with OW so.....not sure I can put much stock in statement :):)  seems to be my top question these days? has he done enough to really work on himself and his issues?
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Re: Narcissists- article
#61: November 22, 2013, 09:23:36 AM
31andcounting...It's a starting point in the right direction.
It's 3 yrs since BD in your case...when did  your H first have therapy?...it's early days in my case
 However there are others who do not even consider therapy see below.


Midlife increases narcissistic defenses

Who knew there might be insurmountable obstacles to someone's maturation and/or ability to attach to people? Their 'unhealthy narcissism' was always there, though it was not necessarily pathological until the narcissist was unable to work through a 'crisis' of some kind. When a narcissistic person faces a crisis between self-perceptions and reality, ego defenses increase. Perhaps for the first time, we will see: grandiosity, arrogance, entitlement, exhibitionism, vanity, superiority, a pretense of self-sufficiency,  and defiance of authority. Then suddenly, YOU are accused of being controlling simply because you expected fidelity.

At midlife, narcissists become increasingly impulsive. Their capacity for restraint is diminished. In their younger years, they may have been able to control impulsive behavior for the sake of their IMAGE. Once they lose their ability to restrain their impulses and their IMAGE is destroyed, there may be no recourse for remorse. They may not be a way to reconcile the truth of their behavior with the Image of who they either pretended or believed themselves to be.

Rather than tolerate grief for the harm they caused others, take responsibility to fix the mess they created, live with the sadness of knowing they hurt their family/partner, etc. the narcissist will avoid responsibility by replacing the people in his life. We are props in a theatrical presentation and having been judged incompetent and imperfect, his highness dismisses us without warning.

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MLC articles:-

MLC,PD OR MORE(Blog Topic)
http://mlcforum.theherosspouse.com/index.php?topic=3987.0

NARCISSISM & MLC
http://mlcforum.theherosspouse.com/index.php?topic=3917.0

My story:-
http://mlcforum.theherosspouse.com/index.php?topic=3747.0

BD nov 2012
H 55 M 54
Married 25yrs

Initially : I don't want her and I don't want you.
PA with alienator 21 yrs younger mar 2012
OW came and took him Jan 2013
To find out if the grass is greener one must take risks.
I did'nt want this but after what I've done i will have to go.
I think I love her and I'm unsure about you.
If you love me you will have to let me go...I'll come back when I am old.
I want to have fun ..I can't live another 15 yrs with you.
WHY,WHY...asks himself.
When we both calm down we will talk...

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Re: Narcissists- article
#62: November 22, 2013, 10:54:09 AM
Interesting for sure:)  It did become "worse" each and every crisis.....BUT it does seem as though he is trying to take responsibility for his actions...for hurting the ones he loved, in his own way.  I mean, my way would be different than the ways he is trying to "make up" but I am accepting his overtures, because he is attempting to do it his way.   Will it be enough, time will tell I guess.
We were young when we began our R....and even in those days, "dates" could sometimes become "huge fights"  over silly little things, and he always created the issue, but of course I would "respond and react"  which fueled it!  BUT there was a time during this crisis when he was cleared eyed/mind and he said to me" I have always done this (created the fight) haven't I ?"  So maybe, just maybe he does "get it"  and maybe just maybe it will change???
time is my friend and patience is a virtue!!!
thanks :)
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Re: Narcissists- article
#63: November 22, 2013, 11:06:46 AM
Question:

Are narcissists likely to go through a midlife crisis and, if so, to what extent does such a crisis ameliorate or exacerbate their condition?



Answer:

The sometimes severe crises experienced by persons of both sexes in middle age (a.k.a. the "midlife crisis" or the "change of life") is a much discussed though little understood phenomenon. It is not even certain that the beast exists.

Women go through menopause between the ages of 42-55 (the average age of onset in the USA is 51.3). The amount of the hormone oestrogen in their bodies decreases sharply, important parts of the reproductive system shrink and menstruation ceases. Many women suffer from "hot flashes" and a thinning and fracturing of the bones (osteoporosis).

The "male menopause" is a more contentious issue. Men do experience a gradual decline in testosterone levels but nothing as sharp as the woman's deterioration of her oestrogen supply. No link has been found between these physiological and hormonal developments and the mythical "midlife crisis".

This fabled turning point has to do with the gap between earlier plans, dreams and aspirations and one's drab and hopeless reality. Come middle age, men are supposed to be less satisfied with life, career, or spouse. People get more disappointed and disillusioned with age. They understand that they are not likely to have a second chance, that they largely missed the train, that their dreams will remain just that. They have nothing to look forward to. They feel spent, bored, fatigued and trapped.

Some adults embark on a transition. They define new goals, look for new partners, form new families, engage in new hobbies, change vocation and avocation alike, or relocate. They regenerate and reinvent themselves and the structures of their lives. Others just grow bitter. Unable to face the shambles, they resort to alcoholism, workaholism, emotional absence, abandonment, escapism, degeneration, or a sedentary lifestyle.

Another pillar of discontent is the predictability of adult life. Following a brief flurry, in early adulthood, of excitement and vigour, of dreams and hopes, fantasies and aspirations, we succumb to and sink into the mire of mediocrity. The mundane engulfs us and digests us. Routines consume our energy and leave us dilapidated and empty. We know with dull certainty what awaits us and this ubiquitous rut is maddening.

Paradoxically, the narcissist is best equipped to successfully tackle these problems. The narcissist suffers from mental progeria. Subject to childhood abuse, he ages prematurely and finds himself in a time warp, constantly in the throes of a midlife crisis.

The narcissist keeps dreaming, hoping, planning, conspiring, scheming and fighting all his life. As far as he is concerned, reality, with its sobering feedback, does not exist. He occupies a world of his own where hope springs eternal. It is a universe of recurrent serendipity, inevitable fortuity, auspiciousness, lucky chances and coincidences, no downs and uplifting ups. It is an unpredictable, titillating, and exciting world. The narcissist may feel bored for long stretches of time but only because he can't wait for the ultimate thrill.

The narcissist experiences a constant midlife crisis. His reality is always way short of his dreams and aspirations. He suffers a constant Grandiosity Gap – the same Gap that plagues the healthy midlife adult. But the narcissist has one advantage: he is used to being disappointed and disillusioned. He inflicts setbacks and defeats upon himself by devaluing persons and situations that he had previously idealised.

The narcissist regularly employs a host of mechanisms to cope with this simmering, festering incessant "crisis". Cognitive dissonance, over- and de- valuation cycles, abrupt mood swings, changes in behaviour patterns, goals, companions, mates, jobs and locations are the narcissist's daily bread and escapist weapons.

Whereas the healthy and mature adult confronts the abyss between his image of himself and his real self, his dreams and his achievements, his fantasyland and his reality only late in life – the narcissist does so constantly and from an early age.

The healthy and mature adult recoils from the predictability of his routine and is abhorred by it. The narcissist's life is not predictable or routine in any sense of the word.

The mature 40+ years old adult tries to remedy the structural and emotional deficits of his existence either by a renewed commitment to it or by a cataclysmic break with it. The narcissist so regularly and habitually does both that these decisions are rendered flitting and insignificant

The narcissist's personality is rigid but his life is changeable and tumultuous, his typical day riddled with surprises and unpredictable, his grandiose fantasies so far removed from his reality that even his disillusionment and disappointments are fantastic and, thus, easily overcome.

Soon enough, the narcissist is engaged in a new project, as exciting, as grandiose and as impossible as the ones before. The gap between his confabulations and the truth is so yawning that he chooses to ignore his reality. He recruits people around him to affirm this choice and to confirm to him that reality is illusory and that his fantasyland is real.

Such pretensions are counterproductive and self-defeating, but they also serve as perfect defences. The narcissist does not go through a midlife crisis because he is forever the child, forever dreaming and fantasising, forever enamoured with himself and with the narrative that is his life.
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Re: Narcissists- article
#64: November 22, 2013, 12:08:14 PM
Albatross, are you saying that if someone is a true narcissists they will not go through a MLC/ transition and change??  A life long narc with BPD will constantly and continually act in this way?? Never to "see the wrongs"  they just keep on "doing what they do"? Their life is a constant crisis?
or am I interpreting this wrong?
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#65: November 22, 2013, 12:34:21 PM
Albatross, are you saying that if someone is a true narcissists they will not go through a MLC/ transition and change??  A life long narc with BPD will constantly and continually act in this way?? Never to "see the wrongs"  they just keep on "doing what they do"? Their life is a constant crisis?
or am I interpreting this wrong?
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You get it right. They never hit mid life crisis, their whole life is crisis.
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#66: November 22, 2013, 01:17:15 PM
Thank you, that kind of helps my thinking some :):):)
A "little clearer" everyday!  Ha, just like my H maybe ???
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#67: November 22, 2013, 04:56:19 PM
I know it's right on the mark for the ex...
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There are two ways of spreading light:
Be the candle; or the mirror that reflects it

Don't ask why someone is still hurting you; ask why you keep letting them.What you allow continues.

At some point you have to get sick of going through the same sh!t.

Women are NOT rehabilitation centers for badly raised men. It is not your job to fix ,parent, raise or change him.
You want a partner not a project.

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Re: Narcissists- article
#68: November 22, 2013, 09:28:55 PM
Great Thread!

Thank you for this!
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#69: November 23, 2013, 10:29:10 PM
Attaching to find again.
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